INKREDIBLE BULK 52 posts Posted August 3, 2019 https://www.ebay.com/itm/1964-The-Avengers-Jack-Kirby-Stan-Lee-pg-14-Marvel-Comics-Stamped-No-Res-Auction/223610256254?hash=item341035bb7e:g:UzwAAOSwlGFdRWdn 2 Twanj and grapeape reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
INKREDIBLE BULK 52 posts Posted August 3, 2019 This looks like a fake to me. From the top of the page to the stamp that wasn't even used back in the day. You be the judge. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
glendgold 1,106 posts Posted August 3, 2019 (edited) Sigh. Look: the person who drew this is a fraud. He is emboldened because the way things work these days he knows he isn't going to get caught. Also he made one teeny tiny mistake a couple of months ago and, I'm delighted to say, I figured something out. Good luck, dude! G Edited August 3, 2019 by glendgold 2 Twanj and J.Sid reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stinkininkin 1,550 posts Posted August 3, 2019 14 minutes ago, glendgold said: Sigh. Look: the person who drew this is a coward and a fraud. Also he's a terrible artist who is bitter about his inability to sell his own actual work. He is emboldened because the way things work these days he knows he isn't going to get caught. How do I know he's a terrible artist? Because he made one teeny tiny mistake a couple of months ago and, I'm delighted to say, I figured something out. Good luck, dude! G Do tell! I mean, yes, tell us more. 1 grapeape reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
glendgold 1,106 posts Posted August 3, 2019 24 minutes ago, stinkininkin said: Do tell! I mean, yes, tell us more. Let's just put it this way -- multiple accounts on eBay are hard to track but not that hard to track. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill C 5,332 posts Posted August 3, 2019 He says the board is 11 x 17, doesnt look it at all. 1 grapeape reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
comiconxion 1,165 posts Posted August 3, 2019 Well, at least the forger tried to age the paper and sell the idea that it's real, but so many tells that it's a fake - No writing in the margins by Stan or Jack - The writing at the top isn't the way they would have written it in the 60's. - Blue pencil wasn't to common in the 60's - Shouldn't be a stamp like that on the back. Should be a CCA stamp. And, they filled out the publication info. incorrectly! Overall, looks like they took a blank piece of 70's Marvel stock with a stamp on the back and tried to draw the most expensive piece of comic art they could think of which hasn't surfaced to date. 1 grapeape reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grant Turner 124 posts Posted August 3, 2019 Plus twice-up pages aren’t 11”x17” 1 grapeape reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
glendgold 1,106 posts Posted August 3, 2019 I think I need to say this again, maybe? I used to explain why something that was forged was easy to spot. After that, I noticed that a new round of forgeries had taken my comments into account. I suspect at least some forgers lurk on this forum, or others that discuss comic art. So we should be careful about explaining why something looks wrong. 5 2 Unca Ben, alxjhnsn, John E. and 4 others reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
INKREDIBLE BULK 52 posts Posted August 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, glendgold said: I think I need to say this again, maybe? I used to explain why something that was forged was easy to spot. After that, I noticed that a new round of forgeries had taken my comments into account. I suspect at least some forgers lurk on this forum, or others that discuss comic art. So we should be careful about explaining why something looks wrong. Sounds right to me but I would think this seller is trying to fool the casual collector who wouldn't spot the red flags. But that is still terrible and something should be done to prevent this from happening over and over, again. So unfair for someone who believes that they are bidding on a legitimate Avengers #4 page. I will report them on Ebay after this post. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Will_K 518 posts Posted August 3, 2019 7 minutes ago, glendgold said: So we should be careful about explaining why something looks wrong. I don't even have Marvel art from that period but I know enough to observe lots of problems (without going into detail). Current bid is $410. I just find it amazing that someone would spend that kind of $$$ but not really know what they're buying. But bidders are hidden so who knows how many legitimate bids/bidders there are. Maybe they're all shill bids. 1 grapeape reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
batman_fan 13,835 posts Posted August 3, 2019 Everyone should report it. Ebay doesn't really care about this stuff for some reason.. 1 grapeape reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stinkininkin 1,550 posts Posted August 3, 2019 1 hour ago, glendgold said: I think I need to say this again, maybe? I used to explain why something that was forged was easy to spot. After that, I noticed that a new round of forgeries had taken my comments into account. I suspect at least some forgers lurk on this forum, or others that discuss comic art. So we should be careful about explaining why something looks wrong. Right, I wasn't looking for details on the making of forgeries, but I got the impression you knew who the forger was and his motivations which I was curious about. "Terrible and bitter artist" who's "inability to sell his own actual work" was provocative and I was wondering if there was more of a story than the usual con artist stuff. 1 Khazano reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grapeape 1,527 posts Posted August 3, 2019 4 hours ago, glendgold said: Let's just put it this way -- multiple accounts on eBay are hard to track but not that hard to track. 29 minutes ago, batman_fan said: Everyone should report it. Ebay doesn't really care about this stuff for some reason.. 1 hour ago, glendgold said: I think I need to say this again, maybe? I used to explain why something that was forged was easy to spot. After that, I noticed that a new round of forgeries had taken my comments into account. I suspect at least some forgers lurk on this forum, or others that discuss comic art. So we should be careful about explaining why something looks wrong. Time to get medieval on art fraud https://images.app.goo.gl/z4NTecs5VHXcS4VE9 1 exitmusicblue reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blastaar 1,009 posts Posted August 4, 2019 That’s a lot of work for $600. 1 grapeape reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
malvin 4,514 posts Posted August 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Blastaar said: That’s a lot of work for $600. True, but the auction isn't over yet. Malvin 1 grapeape reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
exitmusicblue 2,358 posts Posted August 4, 2019 18 hours ago, batman_fan said: Everyone should report it. Ebay doesn't really care about this stuff for some reason.. Done. What a POS. 1 grapeape reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gotham Kid 25,025 posts Posted August 4, 2019 18 hours ago, batman_fan said: Everyone should report it. this 2 1 Will_K, grapeape and batman_fan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gumbydarnit 155 posts Posted August 4, 2019 I agree, when a obvious fake is brought to the group, we should report it, but only if YOU believe it’s a fake.... I just reported it. If eBay won’t police its products, then its on us to protect this hobby. 1 grapeape reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grant Turner 124 posts Posted August 5, 2019 I reported it too. Up to $2550. 9 bidders with 77 bids. 1 grapeape reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
