tth2 Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 4 hours ago, G.A.tor said: It deserved a 9.0 once glue was removed, book pressed and dry cleaned restored. FTFY Get Marwood & I, I am not Glenda, porcupine48 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.A.tor Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 1 hour ago, tth2 said: FTFY You say tomato I say tamato hehe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sartrexpress Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 1 hour ago, tth2 said: FTFY This at one time was John's second best copy of Marvel 1 as a 9.0 now upgraded... he offered it to me about two years ago for a mil then. It does look considerably nicer now as a 9.4. The Mile High copy must be at least a 9.6 if graded, possibly a 9.8. Knightsofold and sfcityduck 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knightsofold Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 2 hours ago, Knightsofold said: Can someone be kind enough to post a link to the marvel 9.4 that’s in the November heritage auction? I can never find anything on that site. thanks https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/superhero/marvel-comics-1-timely-1939-cgc-nm-94-off-white-pages/p/7212-153016.s?ic=Home-FeaturedItems-071515 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pemart1966 Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 29 minutes ago, Knightsofold said: https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/superhero/marvel-comics-1-timely-1939-cgc-nm-94-off-white-pages/p/7212-153016.s?ic=Home-FeaturedItems-071515 From the HA description: "To put the outrageous grade in perspective,..." There may be a few people on this thread that agree completely with this description Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mmehdy Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 21 hours ago, pemart1966 said: From the HA description: "To put the outrageous grade in perspective,..." There may be a few people on this thread that agree completely with this description Grade bumping...any guess on how much value was added by the pancake press..cleaning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pemart1966 Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Mmehdy said: Grade bumping...any guess on how much value was added by the pancake press..cleaning? If this had been a "new to the market" copy then there's no doubt in my mind that we'd see it break the Cap 1 amount. It's gone up almost a full grade AND its PQ has improved. "Outrageous grade" indeed! This "pancake press..cleaning" may have added value in some eyes but it also may have taken away value in other eyes... Edited September 21, 2019 by pemart1966 Larryw7 and Gotham Kid 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_react Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 Thanks to the boards on this one. I went from curiosity to full understanding in just a few pages. Pressed or not pressed, MC #1 has been a disappointing book in high grade for... 15 years now? Something like that. Cap feels like the king now. 9.4 might make a difference, but I've been surprised (on the downside) by MC #1 before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mmehdy Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 1 minute ago, pemart1966 said: If this had been a "new to the market" copy then there's no doubt in my mind that we'd see it break the Cap 1 amount. It's gone up almost a full grade AND its PQ has improved. "Outrageous grade" indeed! This "pancake press..cleaning" may not have added value in some eyes but may have actually taken away value... how many of those whale HA clients check the boards, they just pay attention to slab....but I agree it does in my mind downgrade the value.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mmehdy Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, rob_react said: Thanks to the boards on this one. I went from curiosity to full understanding in just a few pages. Pressed or not pressed, MC #1 has been a disappointing book in high grade for... 15 years now? Something like that. Cap feels like the king now. 9.4 might make a difference, but I've been surprised (on the downside) by MC #1 before. The collective mind of the board is staggering. I agree, but how many of US would bid on this and go to the max knowing the real history of the book..in way it degrades the meaning of the 9.4 "grade" Edited September 21, 2019 by Mmehdy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_react Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 9 minutes ago, rob_react said: Thanks to the boards on this one. I went from curiosity to full understanding in just a few pages. Pressed or not pressed, MC #1 has been a disappointing book in high grade for... 15 years now? Something like that. Cap feels like the king now. 9.4 might make a difference, but I've been surprised (on the downside) by MC #1 before. Following up on this if you wanted to lose money on a golden age mega key over the past couple of decades Marvel Comics #1 was your go to book Marvel Comics 1 Denver CGC 9.0 Upgraded from 8.5 $172,500.00 at Heritage on 2005/08/13 $155,350.00 at Heritage on 2009/02/26 Marvel Comics 1 Pay Copy CGC 9.0 $40,000.00 at Private Sale in 1993 $350,000.00 at Private Sale in 2003 $201,250.00 at Heritage on 2006/01/19 $204,999.99 at Heritage on 2007/08/03 $227,050.00 at Heritage on 2010/02/25 Marvel Comics 1 CGC 9.0 UPGRADED from 8.5 $126,500.00 at Heritage on 2003/03/06 $161,000.00 at Heritage on 2005/10/14 Marvel Comics 1 Larson CGC 8.0 $41,400.00 at Sotheby's in 1997 $48,000.00 at Unknown in 1998 $101,575.00 at Heritage on 2006/11/17 $89,625.00 at Heritage on 2007/11/15 $89,625.00 at Heritage on 2009/11/19 AJD, szav and Knightsofold 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pemart1966 Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Mmehdy said: how many of those whale HA clients check the boards, they just pay attention to slab....but I agree it does in my mind downgrade the value.... Maybe I should alter my previous statement a bit. Upon looking at the book, the grade itself does not appear to be outrageous. However, the process by which it arrived at that grade and PQ is. Edited September 21, 2019 by pemart1966 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tth2 Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 1 hour ago, rob_react said: Following up on this if you wanted to lose money on a golden age mega key over the past couple of decades Marvel Comics #1 was your go to book Marvel Comics 1 Denver CGC 9.0 Upgraded from 8.5 $172,500.00 at Heritage on 2005/08/13 $155,350.00 at Heritage on 2009/02/26 Marvel Comics 1 Pay Copy CGC 9.0 $40,000.00 at Private Sale in 1993 $350,000.00 at Private Sale in 2003 $201,250.00 at Heritage on 2006/01/19 $204,999.99 at Heritage on 2007/08/03 $227,050.00 at Heritage on 2010/02/25 Marvel Comics 1 CGC 9.0 UPGRADED from 8.5 $126,500.00 at Heritage on 2003/03/06 $161,000.00 at Heritage on 2005/10/14 Marvel Comics 1 Larson CGC 8.0 $41,400.00 at Sotheby's in 1997 $48,000.00 at Unknown in 1998 $101,575.00 at Heritage on 2006/11/17 $89,625.00 at Heritage on 2007/11/15 $89,625.00 at Heritage on 2009/11/19 To be fair, quite a number of those sales took place in a period when relatively high grade copies of MC 1 seemed to be popping up every auction, and often it was the same copies. This really tainted everyone's perception of the book at the time. The feeling was that MC 1s were like buses--if you didn't get an MC 1 at this auction, just wait because another one would be coming along. During that same period, very few Action 1s and Detective 27s or higher grade Bat 1s and Cap 1s were coming to market, which further enhanced the perception that MC 1 was common as dirt. Now, it's been a while since a higher grade MC 1 has come up for auction. So it will be fascinating to see what it goes for in today's supercharged market, particularly because of the unprecedented grade, which is tempered by the knowledge among those who will have done their due diligence that it's just one of those copies that was being constantly recycled back in the 'naughts. thunsicker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MasterChief Posted September 21, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 21, 2019 I'm somewhat perplexed as to why the pedigree designation is not assigned to this book. Being a student of hobby history and fascinated by the story of a collections' origin, I'm particularly sensitive to maintaining a cohesive link to the nostalgic past through proper identification and labeling of pedigree copies thereby cementing comic book provenance. This book is the Windy City copy. It was identified as such by the founder of the collection, Gary Colabuono, in this particular thread. Additionally, the book is identified as being the Windy City copy on the Comic Book Pedigree website. (Link below) Windy City "Of the four pedigrees containing all #1 issues, this collection is by far the largest, numbering over 2,000 comics. It also covers one of the largest spans of time, running from the '30s through the '60s. Many of the most valuable key issues were present, including Marvel Comics #1, Captain America #1, Batman #1, Flash #1, Captain Marvel #1, All-Winners #1, Daring Mystery #1 and Whiz #1. The original owner Andy Wallace, an introverted postal worker who lived with his sister, wrote his name on nearly 1/4 of the comics. Gary Colabuono purchased the collection piecemeal over eight years, but initially sold them without a pedigree status, although he did make a detailed original list." Marvel Comics #1 Windy City comicwiz, Gotham Kid, David Shane and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfcityduck Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 18 minutes ago, MasterChief said: This book is the Windy City copy. It was identified as such by the founder of the collection, Gary Colabuono, in this particular thread. Additionally, the book is identified as being the Windy City copy on the Comic Book Pedigree website. (Link below) Does Moondog still post here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porcupine48 Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 1 hour ago, sfcityduck said: Does Moondog still post here? Not super often,but I think I saw him post fairly recently. lbcolefan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen514 Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 3 hours ago, tth2 said: To be fair, quite a number of those sales took place in a period when relatively high grade copies of MC 1 seemed to be popping up every auction, and often it was the same copies. This really tainted everyone's perception of the book at the time. The feeling was that MC 1s were like buses--if you didn't get an MC 1 at this auction, just wait because another one would be coming along. During that same period, very few Action 1s and Detective 27s or higher grade Bat 1s and Cap 1s were coming to market, which further enhanced the perception that MC 1 was common as dirt. Now, it's been a while since a higher grade MC 1 has come up for auction. So it will be fascinating to see what it goes for in today's supercharged market, particularly because of the unprecedented grade, which is tempered by the knowledge among those who will have done their due diligence that it's just one of those copies that was being constantly recycled back in the 'naughts. Ditto. Also all sales are before 2010 and under. Before the price explosion million dollar books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.A.tor Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 3 hours ago, MasterChief said: I'm somewhat perplexed as to why the pedigree designation is not assigned to this book. Being a student of hobby history and fascinated by the story of a collections' origin, I'm particularly sensitive to maintaining a cohesive link to the nostalgic past through proper identification and labeling of pedigree copies thereby cementing comic book provenance. This book is the Windy City copy. It was identified as such by the founder of the collection, Gary Colabuono, in this particular thread. Additionally, the book is identified as being the Windy City copy on the Comic Book Pedigree website. (Link below) Windy City "Of the four pedigrees containing all #1 issues, this collection is by far the largest, numbering over 2,000 comics. It also covers one of the largest spans of time, running from the '30s through the '60s. Many of the most valuable key issues were present, including Marvel Comics #1, Captain America #1, Batman #1, Flash #1, Captain Marvel #1, All-Winners #1, Daring Mystery #1 and Whiz #1. The original owner Andy Wallace, an introverted postal worker who lived with his sister, wrote his name on nearly 1/4 of the comics. Gary Colabuono purchased the collection piecemeal over eight years, but initially sold them without a pedigree status, although he did make a detailed original list." Marvel Comics #1 Windy City It first came to market as from the white rose collection. Anyone connect it as Windy City copy then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_react Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 5 hours ago, MasterChief said: I'm somewhat perplexed as to why the pedigree designation is not assigned to this book. Being a student of hobby history and fascinated by the story of a collections' origin, I'm particularly sensitive to maintaining a cohesive link to the nostalgic past through proper identification and labeling of pedigree copies thereby cementing comic book provenance. This book is the Windy City copy. It was identified as such by the founder of the collection, Gary Colabuono, in this particular thread. Additionally, the book is identified as being the Windy City copy on the Comic Book Pedigree website. (Link below) Windy City "Of the four pedigrees containing all #1 issues, this collection is by far the largest, numbering over 2,000 comics. It also covers one of the largest spans of time, running from the '30s through the '60s. Many of the most valuable key issues were present, including Marvel Comics #1, Captain America #1, Batman #1, Flash #1, Captain Marvel #1, All-Winners #1, Daring Mystery #1 and Whiz #1. The original owner Andy Wallace, an introverted postal worker who lived with his sister, wrote his name on nearly 1/4 of the comics. Gary Colabuono purchased the collection piecemeal over eight years, but initially sold them without a pedigree status, although he did make a detailed original list." Marvel Comics #1 Windy City I wonder if it's been asked for and denied or just was never asked for. I've heard that some Church copies have been designated as pedigree books without it being noted on the submission, but it would be tougher with something else. Even with something like this- you'd have to stumble on the knowledge. I never knew this book, which I've been following for 15 years, was the Windy City copy. I would contact Heritage (and I will if no one else wants to) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_react Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, zen514 said: Ditto. Also all sales are before 2010 and under. Before the price explosion million dollar books. Million dollar books featuring characters the general public cares about. I'm hoping to be surprised and get another 7 figure book (and to finally add a new title to that list- returning MC#1 at least temporarily, to top 3 GA status), but for the last 20 years I've only ever been surprised on the downside by MC #1. Fingers crossed and popcorn out though. I wanted the Cap to hit 7 figures, I'll be just as excited if this one does it. Edited September 21, 2019 by rob_react Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
