JOKER: THE MOVIE spoilers thread (anything goes) 1 1

[valiantman]

1 minute ago, ADAMANTIUM said:

2 minutes ago, valiantman said:

"Joe Chill" is the traditional answer for 'who was that guy?'.

That's what I figured, I don't know Joe Chill's story, that said I knew "of" him but it added nothing towards the story for me  

I think that was also intended. Detective #33 (1939) has Joe Chill killing the Wayne parents, and the Joker isn't introduced until 1940. Various ways to re-interpret that alley scene, since both Joe and Joker could have been the same guy, known each other, unconnected, etc., even when the story was told 80 years ago.

[ADAMANTIUM]

Well I guess that's about it for me, it was disturbing at first, what with the reality context etc..... just made it impossible for me to "enjoy" anything too much about it....

As far as a movie goes it was well done, I just don't think what it said in interpretation was quite worth applauding.... even if it IS the Joker... ah well

[valiantman]

Cinemablend.com has 3 listed explanations for the ending, with acknowledgement that the answer could be a mixture or remain unknown forever... still a pretty good article for discussion.

https://www.cinemablend.com/news/2481483/joker-ending-explained-what-really-happened

[ADAMANTIUM]

The Joker is an Unreliable narrator

Fo! Sho!

Edited October 4, 2019 by ADAMANTIUM

[Hollywood1892]

27 minutes ago, valiantman said:

Cinemablend.com has 3 listed explanations for the ending, with acknowledgement that the answer could be a mixture or remain unknown forever... still a pretty good article for discussion.

https://www.cinemablend.com/news/2481483/joker-ending-explained-what-really-happened

That was pretty interesting, yet confusing at the same time.

One thing that does make sense is that maybe the end seen was really the beginning, maybe he planned it in his head while in the hospital, but it actually happened later on hence him saying "you wouldn't get it" because it hadn't happened yet.

[comicginger1789]

Two questions:

1) As a comic fan, will I enjoy this movie? I love 40's-50's era Joker and 80's era Joker. I like him crazy but intelligent. For me, his actions always had purpose, even if the actions and plans to achieve his purpose were off the wall

2) Is this the best DC related film (in your opinion) since the Dark Knight film?

Answers to these questions will sway me to take it all in for myself. Otherwise, it will simmer on the backburner like countless other films and maybe someday I will watch it. 

Edited October 4, 2019 by comicginger1789

[valiantman]

9 minutes ago, comicginger1789 said:

Two questions:

1) As a comic fan, will I enjoy this movie? I love 40's-50's era Joker and 80's era Joker. I like him crazy but intelligent. For me, his actions always had purpose, even if the actions and plans to achieve his purpose were off the wall

2) Is this the best DC related film (in your opinion) since the Dark Knight film?

Answers to these questions will sway me to take it all in for myself. Otherwise, it will simmer on the backburner like countless other films and maybe someday I will watch it. 

Your first question is the only one that matters, since you have multiple eras of Joker appreciation.  You should probably see Joker simply to accurately place it in your hierarchy, even if it ends up at the bottom (that is, even if you don't enjoy it).

[FlyingDonut]

1 hour ago, comicginger1789 said:

Two questions:

1) As a comic fan, will I enjoy this movie? I love 40's-50's era Joker and 80's era Joker. I like him crazy but intelligent. For me, his actions always had purpose, even if the actions and plans to achieve his purpose were off the wall

2) Is this the best DC related film (in your opinion) since the Dark Knight film?

Answers to these questions will sway me to take it all in for myself. Otherwise, it will simmer on the backburner like countless other films and maybe someday I will watch it. 

1) Yes, although as a comic fan the last murder shown on screen in the film may annoy you - I thought it was too cute by half to tie those characters together. As a movie fan it was spectacular.

2) It is the best DC-related film period.

[Larryw7]

When the Joker kissed Dr. Sally on the Murray Franklin show, that was a homage to Miller's Dark Knight Returns when Joker kisses Ruth.Westheimer on Letterman. Of course, he had his Joker venom lipstick, and Ruth died with a smile on her face.

Loved it when Bruce slid down a pole to see Arthur.

I think quite a few incidents in the film are Arthur's delusions, including the Thomas Wayne stuff. His perception of Wayne is different from everyone else in the film. Plus it doesn't fit with past incarnations of T.W. But of course this movie isn't canon, so everything is open to interpretation. 

This may be the best comic book movie ever made.

 

 

Edited October 4, 2019 by Larryw7

[path4play]

 

7 hours ago, valiantman said:

I never really understood why Arthur's journal/jokebook had the cutouts of pornography, except to imply that Arthur had zero experience in real world situations despite his age (30-something) and he had a need to keep those images with him in the journal.

My take was simply that earlier he had written down "sex is funny" from observing another comedian.

[Bosco685]

9 hours ago, Hollywood1892 said:

What about the dance before the cop chase...

Vintage Joker...

You never got that with Heath...

As insane as Heaths joker was, he was methodical, like his insanity had purpose...

That dance scene and seeing him going to his own beat no matter what was going on  - JOKER!

But the scene with the mob cheering him on while he stands there bleeding and dancing. WOW!

[Bosco685]

9 hours ago, valiantman said:

I assume your audience was going for "nervous laughter" or "last-chance-to-laugh-at-something", since that scene wasn't funny.  Or perhaps, like the doctor, I just didn't get it.  

 

9 hours ago, Hollywood1892 said:

Yeah

Our audience didn't clap either

I'm going to assume it was out of nervousness 

My audience appeared so stunned, only a group of teenagers in the back were clapping loud. That was a LOT of emotion conveyed throughout the film.

[Bosco685]

3 hours ago, Larryw7 said:

When the Joker kissed Dr. Sally on the Murray Franklin show, that was a homage to Miller's Dark Knight Returns when Joker kisses Ruth.Westheimer on Letterman. Of course, he had his Joker venom lipstick, and Ruth died with a smile on her face.

Loved it when Bruce slid down a pole to see Arthur.

I think quite a few incidents in the film are Arthur's delusions, including the Thomas Wayne stuff. His perception of Wayne is different from everyone else in the film. Plus it doesn't fit with past incarnations of T.W. But of course this movie isn't canon, so everything is open to interpretation. 

This may be the best comic book movie ever made.

I knew it! As soon as he did that, I was reflecting back on that TV show appearance in TDKR. 

[ADAMANTIUM]

2 minutes ago, Bosco685 said:

I knew it! As soon as he did that, I was reflecting back on that TV show appearance in TDKR. 

Glad you enjoyed it

Definitely a roller coaster!

 

[Bosco685]

1 minute ago, ADAMANTIUM said:

Glad you enjoyed it

Definitely a roller coaster!

 

You were not kidding. And the message conveyed to me was how the system can coldly disregard someone needing assistance, leading to this situation. Not a celebration of people lashing out at society and killing people due to how they were treated.

And no - there wasn't even a single police officer at my theater tonight. NONE!

[ADAMANTIUM]

6 minutes ago, Bosco685 said:

You were not kidding. And the message conveyed to me was how the system can coldly disregard someone needing assistance, leading to this situation. Not a celebration of people lashing out at society and killing people due to how they were treated.

And no - there wasn't even a single police officer at my theater tonight. NONE!

Ya it is an eye opener. When the records guy  when joker was finding out about his mom, said why don't you get a social worker, and the Joker says it was cut cut or something like that

then eventually says he stopped taking his meds and "feels great" then stabs a guy in the eye 

at least when the social services WAS available, he got off his duff despite his disability and paid for his meds...

there is a lot to this film, but the first couple of days after seeing it, it was all such a flood of ups and downs which made it hard to determine how I felt about it...

 

 

Edited October 5, 2019 by ADAMANTIUM

[Bosco685]

3 minutes ago, ADAMANTIUM said:

there is a lot to this film, but the first couple of days after seeing it, it was all such a flood of ups and downs which made it hard to determine how I felt about it...

I definitely need to reflect on it more. That was so much in one sitting. Even with the warnings in advance. 

[Xenosmilus]

Just saw it.  I liked it. 7 out of 10.  I don't really see what all the controversy is about to be honest (does that make me messed up ).  I was more disturbed by Rambo 4 than Joker!  The one thing that did throw me off was how Thomas Wayne was portrayed as an A Hole.

Edited October 5, 2019 by Xenosmilus

[Larryw7]

1 hour ago, Xenosmilus said:

Just saw it.  I liked it. 7 out of 10.  I don't really see what all the controversy is about to be honest (does that make me messed up ).  I was more disturbed by Rambo 4 than Joker!  The one thing that did throw me off was how Thomas Wayne was portrayed as an A Hole.

Just like Arthur's "relationship" with Sophie was completely delusional, I think his encounters with Wayne were tainted by Arthur's fury at him for "abandoning" his mother and himself. The Joker is a very unreliable witness. The punch in the face could have been real though. People are touchy about total strangers approaching their children. And.with good reason.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Xenosmilus]

51 minutes ago, Larryw7 said:

Just like Arthur's "relationship" with Sophie was completely delusional, I think his encounters with Wayne were tainted by Arthur's fury at him for "abandoning" his mother and himself. The Joker is a very unreliable witness. The punch in the face could have been real though. People are touchy about total strangers approaching their children. And.with good reason.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

True but I would have thought Wayne would have known of Arthur's messed up background (the physical and mental abuse of him as a child) since he did know his mother and it appears his childhood story was in the public domain (based from the newspaper clippings in his mothers pysc evaluation folder). Maybe it was a reflection of the time though, I don't think people were as understanding back then.  It was more of a "suck it up" mentality.

 

I thought this breakdown was good also.

 

Edited October 5, 2019 by Xenosmilus