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[thor800]

On 4/6/2020 at 11:05 PM, chasehasadog82 said:

Just added these Mark Jewelers to my collection

are all mark jewelers newsstands ?

[chasehasadog82]

To my knowledge yes but I wouldn’t be surprised if somebody on here has the exception 

[chasehasadog82]

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Edited June 19, 2020 by chasehasadog82

[thor800]

Just researched a bunch of Copper Age keys comparing the supply of Newsstands to Direct on Ebay listings and also looking at the CGC census.

The higher end was Amazing Spider-Man 361 first Carnage with 35% Newsstands listings (35 out of 100 listings checked) and a census of 15,000.

On the lower end was Batman 404 (2,299 census) first Modern Catwoman and Wolverine (1987) 1 (15,436) with 6% to 10% Newsstand listings.

The average was around 20% Newsstand listings.

Definitely seems like a noticeable supply difference.

[valiantman]

2 hours ago, thor800 said:

Just researched a bunch of Copper Age keys comparing the supply of Newsstands to Direct on Ebay listings and also looking at the CGC census.

The higher end was Amazing Spider-Man 361 first Carnage with 35% Newsstands listings (35 out of 100 listings checked) and a census of 15,000.

On the lower end was Batman 404 (2,299 census) first Modern Catwoman and Wolverine (1987) 1 (15,436) with 6% to 10% Newsstand listings.

The average was around 20% Newsstand listings.

Definitely seems like a noticeable supply difference.

CGC's competitor posted a census (population report) for the first time yesterday. 

They did about three years of grading without specifying Direct / Newsstand, but you can isolate the most recent 3 years where there are separate Direct / Newsstand counts...

I'm still evaluating, but generally (using 500 different comics with 45,000 total submissions), they have graded:

1979 = 60% Newsstand (consistent for ASM #194, Iron Man #128)

1980 = 50% Newsstand (New Teen Titans #2 is 60% Newsstand, Savage She-Hulk #1 is 40% Newsstand)

1981 = 40% Newsstand (Avengers Annual #10 is 20% Newsstand, Daredevil #168 is 60% Newsstand)

1982 = 25% Newsstand (Wolverine Limited #1 is 25% NS, Hulk #271 is 55% NS, GI Joe #1 is 45% NS)

1983 = 40% Newsstand (New Mutants #1 is 20% NS, ASM #238 is 40% NS, Thor #337 is 70% NS)

1984 = 30% Newsstand (ASM #252 is 70% NS, Secret Wars 8 is 20% NS, Teen TItans #44 is 25% NS)

1985 = 15% Newsstand (Web of Spider-Man #1 is 10% NS, ASM #265 is 35% NS)

1986 = 21% Newsstand (X-Factor #5 is 13% NS, X-Factor #6 is 21% NS, Punisher #1 is 30% NS)

1987 = 24% Newsstand (X-Men #221 is 15% NS, ASM #289 is 40% NS, Batman #404 is 5% NS)

1988 = 20% Newsstand (ASM #300 is 33% NS, Wolverine #1 is 14% NS, Hulk #340 is 19% NS)

1989 = 16% Newsstand (X-Men #244 is 13% NS, ASM #316 is 21% NS, Wolverine #10 is 21% NS)

1990 = 19% Newsstand (X-Men #266 is 22% NS, NM #87 is 19% NS)

1991 = 14% Newsstand (NM #98 is 24% NS, Infinity Gauntlet #1 is 9% NS)

1992 = 22% Newsstand (ASM #361 is 40%, Spawn #1 is 9%)

1993 = 12% Newsstand (Batman Adventures #12 is 16%, Venom Lethal Protector #1 is 11%, Spawn #9 is 4% NS)

1994 = 11% Newsstand 

1995 = 15% Newsstand

1996 - 2000 = not enough data (collectively, they are 10% NS, and Deadpool #1 (1997) is also 10% NS)

after 2000 = not specified by either grading company (unless there is also a price difference)

I believe that these are actually "too high" as far as estimates go, because CGC's competitor offers the Newsstand label and CGC does not.  So, we should expect direct editions to be submitted "equally" (at whatever ratio) between the two companies, but we should expect newsstand editions to be submitted "much more often" to the one company that will make the notation on the label.  It might be fair to cut these Newsstand rate estimates, maybe even half of what is shown, except Spawn #9 because CGC recognizes Spawn #9 Newsstand (6% at CGC).

Higher grades for newsstand appear to be 9.2+ and they are significantly less populated than 9.0 and below for newsstand (relative to direct editions at the same grades).

All this is based on just a few hours of data crunching, so things may be much different/clearer if someone is reading this post long after May 1, 2020.

Edited May 1, 2020 by valiantman

[thor800]

5 hours ago, valiantman said:

CGC's competitor posted a census (population report) for the first time yesterday. 

They did about three years of grading without specifying Direct / Newsstand, but you can isolate the most recent 3 years where there are separate Direct / Newsstand counts...

I'm still evaluating, but generally (using 500 different comics with 45,000 total submissions), they have graded:

1979 = 60% Newsstand (consistent for ASM #194, Iron Man #128)

1980 = 50% Newsstand (New Teen Titans #2 is 60% Newsstand, Savage She-Hulk #1 is 40% Newsstand)

1981 = 40% Newsstand (Avengers Annual #10 is 20% Newsstand, Daredevil #168 is 60% Newsstand)

1982 = 25% Newsstand (Wolverine Limited #1 is 25% NS, Hulk #271 is 55% NS, GI Joe #1 is 45% NS)

1983 = 40% Newsstand (New Mutants #1 is 20% NS, ASM #238 is 40% NS, Thor #337 is 70% NS)

1984 = 30% Newsstand (ASM #252 is 70% NS, Secret Wars 8 is 20% NS, Teen TItans #44 is 25% NS)

1985 = 15% Newsstand (Web of Spider-Man #1 is 10% NS, ASM #265 is 35% NS)

1986 = 21% Newsstand (X-Factor #5 is 13% NS, X-Factor #6 is 21% NS, Punisher #1 is 30% NS)

1987 = 24% Newsstand (X-Men #221 is 15% NS, ASM #289 is 40% NS, Batman #404 is 5% NS)

1988 = 20% Newsstand (ASM #300 is 33% NS, Wolverine #1 is 14% NS, Hulk #340 is 19% NS)

1989 = 16% Newsstand (X-Men #244 is 13% NS, ASM #316 is 21% NS, Wolverine #10 is 21% NS)

1990 = 19% Newsstand (X-Men #266 is 22% NS, NM #87 is 19% NS)

1991 = 14% Newsstand (NM #98 is 24% NS, Infinity Gauntlet #1 is 9% NS)

1992 = 22% Newsstand (ASM #361 is 40%, Spawn #1 is 9%)

1993 = 12% Newsstand (Batman Adventures #12 is 16%, Venom Lethal Protector #1 is 11%, Spawn #9 is 4% NS)

1994 = 11% Newsstand 

1995 = 15% Newsstand

1996 - 2000 = not enough data (collectively, they are 10% NS, and Deadpool #1 (1997) is also 10% NS)

after 2000 = not specified by either grading company (unless there is also a price difference)

I believe that these are actually "too high" as far as estimates go, because CGC's competitor offers the Newsstand label and CGC does not.  So, we should expect direct editions to be submitted "equally" (at whatever ratio) between the two companies, but we should expect newsstand editions to be submitted "much more often" to the one company that will make the notation on the label.  It might be fair to cut these Newsstand rate estimates, maybe even half of what is shown, except Spawn #9 because CGC recognizes Spawn #9 Newsstand (6% at CGC).

Higher grades for newsstand appear to be 9.2+ and they are significantly less populated than 9.0 and below for newsstand (relative to direct editions at the same grades).

All this is based on just a few hours of data crunching, so things may be much different/clearer if someone is reading this post long after May 1, 2020.

wow that is awesome data and pretty much in line with the limited research I've done.

Do you have a link to the (assuming) CBCS page ?

I found a few very noticeable differences in supply and 1 or 2 screaming buys for CA keys.

 

Edited May 2, 2020 by thor800

[valiantman]

1 hour ago, thor800 said:

wow that is awesome data and pretty much in line with the limited research I've done.

Do you have a link to the (assuming) CBCS page ?

I found a few very noticeable differences in supply and 1 or 2 screaming buys for CA keys.

 

I don't think external links are allowed for that competitor, but their website has population report as a menu item and the current top story.

[divad]

The numbers are interesting at best, but highly conditional . . . whether they support anyone's thoughts (or otherwise) 

[valiantman]

14 hours ago, divad said:

The numbers are interesting at best, but highly conditional . . . whether they support anyone's thoughts (or otherwise) 

More discussion is over here: 

 

This topic was for showing copper age newsstands, so I don't want to get it off-topic.

Here's one to get us back on track: 

 

[mr_highgrade]

Let me throw in these McNewsies into the pot.

 

[divad]

10 hours ago, mr_highgrade said:

McNewsies

[Martin Sinescu]

Pulled this out of an original owner collection of two long boxes. Random mix of late 80's into 90's with newsies and directs.

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And I was like.....

[ADAMANTIUM]

21 minutes ago, Martin Sinescu said:

Pulled this out of an original owner collection of two long boxes. Random mix of late 80's into 90's with newsies and directs.

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And I was like.....

That's perfect! 

[ramrod44]

Recent additions:

 

 

 

 

 

I love me sum copper-age newsies! 

[ramrod44]

And anotha newsstand mutha: Savage McFarlane Style!

 

 

[johnenock]

These newsies are taking off, huh? Been going through my collection during the virus slow down. I have a surprising amount of them sprinkled throughout the collection.

[chasehasadog82]

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Edited June 19, 2020 by chasehasadog82

[ramrod44]

And another:

[thor800]

On 5/14/2020 at 12:53 PM, johnenock said:

These newsies are taking off, huh? Been going through my collection during the virus slow down. I have a surprising amount of them sprinkled throughout the collection.

found the opposite with my 80s / 90s collection - probably 1 out of 10 newsies and most not in NM shape.

wondering how this trend will play out; i've been combing sales sites for certain high grade keys and they are nowhere to be found.

[mr_highgrade]

1 hour ago, thor800 said:

found the opposite with my 80s / 90s collection - probably 1 out of 10 newsies and most not in NM shape.

wondering how this trend will play out; i've been combing sales sites for certain high grade keys and they are nowhere to be found.

I sold a Ghost Rider # 1  CGC 9.8 newsie to a private collector last year for $500.00. 

I also believe that when it comes to Copper & Moderns newsies in CGC high grade we're gonna have to lower the bar when it comes to expectations.

When it comes to Copper newsies I think 9.6 is gonna be the new 9.8.

In Moderns newsies 9.4 is probably as good as it gets. 

It doesn't mean that there won't be some outliers that grade out 9.8.