Lundon44 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 So I feel a bit bummed about this purchase from about 4 or 5 yrs ago. It's my own fault really. But I'm feeling like I got swindled in a trade up deal I made at my local Fan Expo. Some of my fav books over the years I've tried to trade up several times for better copies. Avengers #1 is one of those books. My last copy with was a CGC 5.0 OW. I recalled coming across a 6.0 graded copy and I made a trade offer. I believe the deal was trading them my copy plus another $750-$900US on top (can't remember exactly how much). Now I have to state an important detail that the book was a CBCS book. But at this time of investing I wasn't prejudice about either grading company and owned quite a few slabs from both (no PGX though! lol). At that moment, I was more overwhelmed with excitement than anything else. Took a quick look at the book (not in too much detail) just cared about the grade while overlooking one massive flaw. There was significant water damage on back cover of the book's top corner and more along the spine which seeped into the staple and caused some other funky things there. I've always wanted to attempt to upgrade the book again but with this being the over water damaged book I own I never researched anything on how it affects both grade and values. I pretty shocked firstly that this book even attained a 6.0 for the amount of visible water damage it has considering I've read stories of books being dropped from potential 9.8's to 7.0's for water damage. I haven't heard of many achieving much higher grades at least from CGC. I'm definitely feeling like I gave away a nice chunk of money and the better book for one that I really have no idea what to do with now. Last year I wanted to press it and potentially send it to CGC for the cool Avengers label. My local presser urged me not to crack it because I'm lucky the book got the grade it did. I also feel like my chances of selling it to upgrade to another better copy are pretty much out the window. I don't even want to know what CGC might grade this book if I ever did decide to send it to them but I know it definitely wouldn't be higher than my old CGC 5.0. Definitely a huge rookie mistake here that cost me a big chunk of cash and a great book. PSA to anyone that doesn't know about water damage on books, do your research! What do you guys think CGC could potentially give this one on a grade? I've learned a ton of factors play into this so even a range would be appreciated. Grader's notes on it are as follows: Lots of staining to spine. Many cover stains that are only visible from interior. Staple rust. Many marvel tears right front cover. Creases top right front cover corner breaks color & barely breaks color. Spine stress breaks color. Small tear with 1" crease bottom left front cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theCapraAegagrus Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 4.0-4.5 IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silversurfer275 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 4.5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comicquant Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 You can figure on that stain costing the grade 2.0 full points... I can't tell what the rest of the book looks like because the pics are a tad dark but if you took away the stains it appears to be a 7.5. I think this would likely come back a 5.0/5.5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpoolica Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 5.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lundon44 Posted December 16, 2019 Author Share Posted December 16, 2019 I appreciate the feedback everyone. It was a bit hard to get a clean pic of this one for some reason. The lighting in my place is horrible on dark days but the book's back cover color is more in line with the 3rd and 4th pictures. So far it sounds like I'm best leaving the book as is and clearly I tossed away about $1000 for a worse copy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B2D327 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Sorry for your loss, that has to suck. I think the rusty staples may get worse and migrate to the cover and interior so a pro cleaning might actually be worth the time and money to keep it from further deterioration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krismusic Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 17 hours ago, B2D327 said: Sorry for your loss, that has to suck. I think the rusty staples may get worse and migrate to the cover and interior so a pro cleaning might actually be worth the time and money to keep it from further deterioration yeah but cleaned staples I believe get a purple label or maybe conserved grade. As for grade I would give it a 5.0 ouch on the rusty staples though and staining. I would check out those spots and make sure its not mold... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Knight Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 4.5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B2D327 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 3 hours ago, Krismusic said: yeah but cleaned staples I believe get a purple label or maybe conserved grade. If it’s evident like when done with dryer sheets which will leave abrasions on the metal. There’s more than one way to skin a cat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krismusic Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 12 minutes ago, B2D327 said: If it’s evident like when done with dryer sheets which will leave abrasions on the metal. There’s more than one way to skin a cat ok. I would expect that CGC would be able to catch most staple cleans but I am sure there are maybe a few that get past not sure.. and dont know much about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primetime Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 4.0 (VG) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
