The Star article on Comic OA 0

[Rick2you2]

11 hours ago, aokartman said:

Seriously.  

While I think most original comic art is undervalued, it is curious to hear big collectors talk about bubbles.

I think waves is more appropriate.

David

So, in other words, he agrees the hobby is on a bubble, but it has room to grow bigger before it pops? Not reassuring for long term growth.

[Bronty]

5 hours ago, comicnoir said:

I just hated the ZOWIE! header. Must they always do that?

They really must.   50 years of similar ‘comic books are worth money now’ articles and the 1966 Batman tv show is somehow still relevant, every time.

Edited December 29, 2019 by Bronty

[Bronty]

1 hour ago, Rick2you2 said:

So, in other words, he agrees the hobby is on a bubble, but it has room to grow bigger before it pops? Not reassuring for long term growth

I doubt that’s his position .    Sometimes when you get interviewed the reporter doesn’t quite convey what you meant.   ‘Out of context’ and all that... a few words quoted that were probably part of a twenty minute discussion.

Edited December 29, 2019 by Bronty

[Rick2you2]

2 hours ago, Bronty said:

I doubt that’s his position .    Sometimes when you get interviewed the reporter doesn’t quite convey what you meant.   ‘Out of context’ and all that... a few words quoted that were probably part of a twenty minute discussion.

I doubt it was his position, too, but he may have really felt that way and it Freudian slipped out by accident.

[Bronty]

Maybe, but if he was the buyer on Egyptian Queen as is suspected, would he really cough up 5M if he thought a bubble looming?   

Edited December 29, 2019 by Bronty

[Rick2you2]

1 hour ago, Bronty said:

Maybe, but if he was the buyer on Egyptian Queen as is suspected, would he really cough up 5M if he thought a bubble looming?   

If the bubble looks like it has another 10 years to expand, and that is a special piece, then yes. Look for it to be up for sale again in less than 10 years. Prices tend to go up, a lot, before a bubble bursts.

[vodou]

2 hours ago, Bronty said:

he was the buyer on Egyptian Queen

but...

2 hours ago, Bronty said:

would he really cough up 5M

No. Not with a guarantor contract waiving BP in hand

All the haters are gonna eat my shorts on this one when it all comes out..finally.

Real Headline: 4.5m

[vodou]

2 hours ago, Bronty said:

if he thought a bubble looming?   

Immaterial. If it's Jim making the headline (kinda like fake news since he didn't top any other bids) then any losses accrue to "the marketing budget"

Higher prices beget higher prices. Until they don't. We're not there yet.

Edited December 29, 2019 by vodou
misspelling

[grapeape]

5 hours ago, vodou said:

but...

No. Not with a guarantor contract waiving BP in hand

All the haters are gonna eat my shorts on this one when it all comes out..finally.

Real Headline: 4.5m

What next? Gonna tell me JN from that other auction house bid $100,000 K on the ASM 238 cover that one of his consignors was selling?

H8 H8 H8 H8 H8

 

 

[vodou]

2 hours ago, grapeape said:

Gonna tell me JN from that other auction house bid $100,000 K on the ASM 238 cover that one of his consignors was selling?

No need, Josh Nathanson told us himself that's what he did

[grapeape]

2 hours ago, vodou said:

No need, Josh Nathanson told us himself that's what he did

Ok....fair enough but if someone tells me that a collector  bought an Entire BWS Conan story with enough money to buy a mansion in Oklahoma—-Then—- wanted to return it because the condition of the back of the pages was not disclosed——I’ll be the one eating my own shorts.

[Bronty]

The back of the pages?

[Rick2you2]

12 hours ago, grapeape said:

What next? Gonna tell me JN from that other auction house bid $100,000 K on the ASM 238 cover that one of his consignors was selling?

H8 H8 H8 H8 H8

 

 

JN bid $100,000,000? Now that’s a bubble price.

[vodou]

8 hours ago, grapeape said:

Ok....fair enough but if someone tells me that a collector  bought an Entire BWS Conan story with enough money to buy a mansion in Oklahoma—-Then—- wanted to return it because the condition of the back of the pages was not disclosed——I’ll be the one eating my own shorts.

 

2 hours ago, Bronty said:

The back of the pages?

Obviously the Grapeish One is poking the bear here, using examples that are well-known to all here of a more than two year 'vintage'

Josh Nathanson -ComicLink side of both stories

Court Gebeau -consignor with guarantee in hand for $100k (as a floor)

Mark McDermott -disappointed winner and returner of BWS complete Conan story (which story, issue #, I forget, not my "thing") based on "back scans" dispute.

 

The above is all public information. What's not publicly known (yet) is the actual terms/conditions of the guarantee (or for certain that there was one, but if it walks like a... and talks like a..., it is a...) for Frazetta's Egyptian Queen. We each have our speculations, some more educated than others, including name/motivations/quid pro quo value, etc. and that's it. For now

[Bronty]

2 minutes ago, vodou said:

 

Obviously the Grapeish One is poking the bear here, using examples that are well-known to all here of a more than two year 'vintage'

Josh Nathanson -ComicLink side of both stories

Court Gebeau -consignor with guarantee in hand for $100k (as a floor)

Mark McDermott -

I do remember all of the above until we get to the 'back scans' part.   I don't recall what the issue was?

[vodou]

26 minutes ago, Bronty said:

I do remember all of the above until we get to the 'back scans' part.   I don't recall what the issue was?

Mark is a very condition conscious* art collector. He liked what he saw on the front scans (on ComicLink, only the fronts shown), but knowing himself well (a good thing) asked (iirc) Josh who referred the matter to Jason (@CLink) for back scans too. That's where it became a real he-said/she-said thing, but Mark said getting them was very difficult and what he saw versus what arrived in the mail were not the same thing. We all saw that and most of us agreed that the 'backs' were not what we'd expect based on the 'fronts' but also...it's production art, lots of handling, etc...usual known knowns...so you get what you get. Not cool for Mark and hic OCD cc* situation though.

On that basis he wanted a return, which was not something Josh was willing to agree to without legal folk getting involved. They did, the art ended up back at ComicLink in a future sale, but broken up instead of as complete story, and the how/why of it all was never made known publicly (or at least here), likely due to a negotiation with gag-order terms included.

Back scans remain a hit or miss situation with all Houses, some lots "yes", many lots "no".

 

*Most of us, rightly imo, accept things as they are and do not rigorously demand perfect art to exist from 50 years ago. Mark is the rare exception.

Edited December 30, 2019 by vodou
typo, clarity

[First Upgrade]

Someone said, "Read. The. Transcript."...(bad joke)

Somewhere, in some buried thread, Mark detailed his recollections of the ordeal..In general [since I do not have the transcript in front of me], I recall that Mark phoned Josh, & asked, 'what are the conditions of the pages on the reverse?' Josh answered, 'No problems'...

[vodou]

1 hour ago, First Upgrade said:

Someone said, "Read. The. Transcript."...(bad joke)

Somewhere, in some buried thread, Mark detailed his recollections of the ordeal..In general [since I do not have the transcript in front of me], I recall that Mark phoned Josh, & asked, 'what are the conditions of the pages on the reverse?' Josh answered, 'No problems'...

My recollection of that paraphrasing as well -according to Mark.

I don't remember how much of Mark's statements were confirmed by Josh though, except that it sure wasn't everything that Mark wrote

[grapeape]

3 hours ago, vodou said:

 

Obviously the Grapeish One is poking the bear here, using examples that are well-known to all here of a more than two year 'vintage'

Josh Nathanson -ComicLink side of both stories

Court Gebeau -consignor with guarantee in hand for $100k (as a floor)

Mark McDermott -disappointed winner and returner of BWS complete Conan story (which story, issue #, I forget, not my "thing") based on "back scans" dispute.

 

The above is all public information. What's not publicly known (yet) is the actual terms/conditions of the guarantee (or for certain that there was one, but if it walks like a... and talks like a..., it is a...) for Frazetta's Egyptian Queen. We each have our speculations, some more educated than others, including name/motivations/quid pro quo value, etc. and that's it. For now

You are right my friend. Just having fun. I believe you have info.......and....well.......

[grapeape]

1 hour ago, vodou said:

My recollection of that paraphrasing as well -according to Mark.

I don't remember how much of Mark's statements were confirmed by Josh though, except that it sure wasn't everything that Mark wrote

You can find that thread but I dare not link it here. Mark's "detailed" writing went on a bit to make a point. Lots of board members kept quoting and we soon had the manuscript of War and Peace II. In the end my buddy Mark got things resolved and I'm glad. I want everybody to be happy if they can.