Rick2you2 Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 13 hours ago, PhilipB2k17 said: Yeah. I'm with Gene on this. The agreed upon sales price (which would include Buyers premium at an auction house) should be the cut off number. Shipping and tax should not be counted. Besides, we 're all on the honor system here anyway. How is anyone supposed to enforce these rules? Make the rules simple. Agreed. The point is to show off our successes with all things being equal. This isn’t a situation where we are looking for our cost basis for tax purposes so we can figure out a potential profit on sale. delekkerste and NC101 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vodou Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Rick2you2 said: with all things being equal Non-existent in the real world, a philosophical conceit. -just sayin' Addendum: For instance, by not living in/near a dense urban area with higher/hightest taxation (in part to keep the below average natives from getting too restless ) everything in the hobby for me (and others, similar locales) is: shipping, and likely at the higher/est rates too due to distance from hubs and trucks less than full for those routes. But on the flip side, by not ever paying any income tax or sales tax...I have that much more to spend in the hobby, all so I get rise to the top of the cheapskate frugal edition and win a not-even-a-no-prize So, by all means let's work this out for: fairness Edited January 14, 2020 by vodou addendum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bronty Posted January 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 14, 2020 (edited) I didn't buy any final pieces that meet the criteria this year, but I did buy this color prelim to the Bartman Meets Radioactive Man Nintendo NES cover/box art in a manner meeting criteria. prelim as published Edited January 14, 2020 by Bronty davidtere, BCarter27, The Voord and 4 others 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eewwnuk Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 The wealthy always trying to get around taxes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronty Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 (edited) On 1/13/2020 at 1:18 PM, delekkerste said: If I pay $750 for someone from Italy to hand deliver a $100 page, it's a $100 page, not an $850 page. I know this may seem like nit-picking to some, but, we should have logical consistency here. When we look at comps in the HA archive, we don't add tax and shipping and insurance and gas costs to pick it up or whatever else to the price. Many people (e.g., dealers) do not pay sales tax. A $500 page is not a $545 page just because I bought it instead of Vodou (no sales tax jurisdiction) or a dealer (reseller exemption). Hammer and BP, yes. Any other costs, no. It's intellectually dishonest otherwise, and also a blatantly obvious unfair advantage for a participant who can buy more art for the same money just by virtue of their zip code; how this wrongness can be codified into "rules" is just baffling. I agree because its simply more pragmatic, but couldn't care less. Shipping? We're arguing over shipping? Not... not, the art? Not the art. Not the art that we die for? Shipping? Shipping????? We're talking about shipping? C'mon man. Edited January 14, 2020 by Bronty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delekkerste Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, Bronty said: Shipping? We're arguing over shipping? Not... not, the art? Not the art. Not the art that we die for? Shipping? Shipping????? We're talking about shipping? Thanks for proving my point - we should exclude shipping costs so we can just talk about the art. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronty Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, delekkerste said: Thanks for proving my point - we should exclude shipping costs so we can just talk about the art. Yeah. Otherwise we just end up talking about shipping, sales taxes, and foreign exchange rates and fees. Bleh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vodou Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 9 minutes ago, Bronty said: Yeah. Otherwise we just end up talking about shipping, sales taxes, and foreign exchange rates and fees. Bleh. In my mind, having just sent out a $9,000 check...the oil was $1. Seeya for next year's edition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexus Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 For the purposes of this event, if the art was acquired at a show, should the costs of attending the show be factored into the cost of the art? Or if the art was picked up for us by a friend, should the Panera gift card we sent as a token of appreciation be added to the cost of the art? Obviously, there are many more scenarios to consider beyond sales tax, shipping, exchange rates. Let's discuss them all! (On an even more important note, I got shorted two votes.) Stefanomjr and Bronty 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vodou Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 30 minutes ago, Nexus said: (On an even more important note, I got shorted two votes.) and I'm still getting votes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voord Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 1 hour ago, vodou said: and I'm still getting votes! Show off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voord Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 8 hours ago, Bronty said: I didn't buy any final pieces that meet the criteria this year, but I did buy this color prelim to the Bartman Meets Radioactive Man Nintendo NES cover/box art in a manner meeting criteria. prelim as published Bronty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voord Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Nexus said: For the purposes of this event, if the art was acquired at a show, should the costs of attending the show be factored into the cost of the art? Or if the art was picked up for us by a friend, should the Panera gift card we sent as a token of appreciation be added to the cost of the art? Obviously, there are many more scenarios to consider beyond sales tax, shipping, exchange rates. Let's discuss them all! (On an even more important note, I got shorted two votes.) F**k it, let's cancel next year's competition unless we employ an accountant to figure-out all the money stuff . . . . Edited January 14, 2020 by The Voord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCarter27 Posted January 14, 2020 Author Share Posted January 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Nexus said: On an even more important note, I got shorted two votes.) The BEAB takes any tallying discrepancies very seriously. We have conducted a full investigation and discovered the votes in question came in from one "lb jefferies" after the results were tallied- It's too bad really. I was looking forward to firing the imbecile who miscounted. The BEAB doesn't need any FIFA-level scandals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCarter27 Posted January 14, 2020 Author Share Posted January 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Nexus said: if the art was acquired at a show, should the costs of attending the show be factored into the cost of the art? Quote Convention entry fees are not relevant. It's like nobody can even see me at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick2you2 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 44 minutes ago, BCarter27 said: It's like nobody can even see me at all. Poor bubbala. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronty Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, The Voord said: F**k it, let's cancel next year's competition unless we employ an accountant to figure-out all the money stuff . . . . I AM an accountant and I wouldn’t want to do the job Edited January 15, 2020 by Bronty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vodou Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Bronty said: I AM an accountant and I wouldn’t want to do the job (because it would be volunteer work ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronty Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 (edited) 45 minutes ago, vodou said: (because it would be volunteer work ) Well I’m not stupid Edited January 15, 2020 by Bronty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varanis Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 7 hours ago, Bronty said: I agree because its simply more pragmatic, but couldn't care less. Shipping? We're arguing over shipping? Not... not, the art? Not the art. Not the art that we die for? Shipping? Shipping????? We're talking about shipping? C'mon man. Not to belabor the discussion, but there are some rare instances on eBay where the price of the product is baked into an inflated shipping cost. It used to be a lot more common before eBay started taking fees out of shipping as well. Just an example of a scenario where extra costs could be considered part of the price of the piece. I'm sure there are more scenarios. That said, that's all way too granular to worry about for this sort of thing. Post on the honor system and don't worry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...