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THE MARVELS starring Brie Larson, Iman Vellani and Teyonna Parris (2023)
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2 hours ago, Gatsby77 said:

As I've noted before, RDJ's casting was risky -- but it was anything but "off-center."

I mean, he looks (and acts) almost exactly like Tony Stark. Would Tom Cruise have been good? Yes. Would he have been as great as RDJ? No way.

I think the far more "off-center" choices were Samuel L. Jackson as Nick Fury and even Gwyneth Paltrow as Pepper Potts. They could have gone with half a dozen other choices over Gwyneth Paltrow for that role - and while it's fairly minor, it's also spanned the decade (and been integral to Tony's story).

Paltrow, yes. SLJ's Fury was taken directly from the Ultimate comics, in which they (apparently changed him and) made him look like SLJ years before the movies.

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14 hours ago, Gatsby77 said:

Wow - you're so wrong here, it's hard to know where to begin.

On your first point - you're missing the key character trait of Tony Stark. Massive arrogance.

Which is exactly how RDJ played him in the first Iron Man film - and following ones. Not "funny slacker industrialist" - those traits (such that they were - I think that's a gross overstatement, esp. in the first film) are just natural outcomes of his arrogance and (literally) being the smartest - and wealthiest - guy in the room. They're not defining traits of the MCU Stark by any stretch. If any thing, they're ways he expresses his arrogance, just as Christian Bale's Bruce Wayne adopted a bored socialite playboy vibe.

 

Yes, MCU Stark was arrogant in Iron Man, but he was also arrogant in Age of Ultron, Civil War, and Infinity War. Arrogance wasn’t Stark’s problem in Iron Man. That was Thor’s problem. Stark’s problem in both IM 1&2 was he wasn’t fulfilling his potential. He was a slacker. In the first, he had to fulfill his potential or he’d die in the cave. Dr Yelsing’s dying words to him are “Don’t waste your life.” In IM 2, he has to fulfill the next level of his potential or he’ll die from palladium poisoning. He gets an assist from his dad and Nick Fury who puts him on house arrest until he answers the “riddle to his heart.” MCU Stark is the world’s first Generation X slacker superhero.

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13 hours ago, @therealsilvermane said:

Yes, MCU Stark was arrogant in Iron Man, but he was also arrogant in Age of Ultron, Civil War, and Infinity War. Arrogance wasn’t Stark’s problem in Iron Man. That was Thor’s problem. Stark’s problem in both IM 1&2 was he wasn’t fulfilling his potential. He was a slacker. In the first, he had to fulfill his potential or he’d die in the cave. Dr Yelsing’s dying words to him are “Don’t waste your life.” In IM 2, he has to fulfill the next level of his potential or he’ll die from palladium poisoning. He gets an assist from his dad and Nick Fury who puts him on house arrest until he answers the “riddle to his heart.” MCU Stark is the world’s first Generation X slacker superhero.

Sure...and his arc in Iron Man 3 was he needed to prove he was worthy without the suit - and (for a time) without access to his wealth or resources. Who was he as a man, stripped of all his trappings, with nothing but his intellect and will to survive?

But you're conflating two separate things - Tony Stark's "character" (arrogant - consistent throughout) with his "character arc" (plot / growth / redemption journey).

And you're *woefully* misreading his character in the first film.

He wasn't lazy - or a slacker - by any stretch of the imagination - total opposite, really. He was simply bored.

And in terms of character arc, the period in the cave catalyzed a mid-life crisis - he realized he could be more than just a military industrialist and reach a potentially higher calling.

This mirrored the brief scene in Batman Begins when Bruce Wayne is subsisting as a young man in SE Asia and is arrested for attempting to steal weapons from Wayne Enterprises - so when he returns to Gotham he engineers the hostile takeover to take back the company and help move it out of the military contractor business.

And no - MCU Tony Stark was not the world's "first Generation X slacker superhero." That title overtly belongs to Will Smith's Hancock, a film which (by the way,) came out the same summer as Iron Man and made nearly $50 million more worldwide.

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20 minutes ago, Oddball said:

And then, there’s…

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"Yeah man, Brie Larson's behind the scenes a*s shots coupled with all those blank stares from those offensive offensive 'Her-o' trailers just offended us manly men all so much it really is the worst superhero movie of all time and we'd much rather stare at Tom Holland's butt not that we roll that way or anything..."

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5 minutes ago, @therealsilvermane said:

"Yeah man, Brie Larson's behind the scenes a*s shots coupled with all those blank stares from those offensive offensive 'Her-o' trailers just offended us manly men all so much it really is the worst superhero movie of all time and we'd much rather stare at Tom Holland's butt not that we roll that way or anything..."

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39 minutes ago, Gatsby77 said:

Sure...and his arc in Iron Man 3 was he needed to prove he was worthy without the suit - and (for a time) without access to his wealth or resources. Who was he as a man, stripped of all his trappings, with nothing but his intellect and will to survive?

But you're conflating two separate things - Tony Stark's "character" (arrogant - consistent throughout) with his "character arc" (plot / growth / redemption journey).

And you're *woefully* misreading his character in the first film.

He wasn't lazy - or a slacker - by any stretch of the imagination - total opposite, really.

Rather, the period in the cave catalyzed a mid-life crisis - he realized he could be more than just a military industrialist and reach a potentially higher calling.

This mirrored the scene in Batman Begins when Bruce Wayne is subsisting as a young man in SE Asia and is arrested for attempting to steal weapons from Wayne Enterprises - so when he returns to Gotham he engineers the hostile takeover to take back the company and help move it out of the military contractor business.

And no - MCU Tony Stark was not the world's "first Generation X slacker superhero." That title overtly belongs to Will Smith's Hancock, a film which (by the way,) came out the same summer as Iron Man and made nearly $50 million more worldwide.

The Generation X slacker term didn't necessarily mean lazy, but rather "aimless and disengaged." So when I said "slacker" above, I didn't mean lazy. I meant Stark was not living up to his potential, as in not living up to the Stan Lee mantra "With great power comes great responsibility." That was Tony Stark in the first Iron Man movie. He had the greatest scientific intellect in the universe but wasted it away being content making weapons for the military and partying/gambling the rest of the time while Uncle Obadiah secretly sold Stark weapons to secret terrorist organizations. James Rhodes calls him out about it on their plane ride to Afghanistan and Dr Yelsing calls him out about it more than once in the cave.

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1 hour ago, Angel of Death said:

However, Brie Larson did put lip gloss on the skin around her lips to make them look more full in one of her car commercials.

She's got thin lips. That ain't attractive.

One day some dude should really publish a chart illustrating in detail what physical traits on a woman are or aren't attractive and then a handbook for women on how they can make themselves more attractive, to us men, that is.

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5 minutes ago, @therealsilvermane said:

One day some dude should really publish a chart illustrating in detail what physical traits on a woman are or aren't attractive and then a handbook for women on how they can make themselves more attractive, to us men, that is.

That's easy:

Big = Attractive.

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7 minutes ago, DiamondCityComics said:

I don't want to read through the last 20 pages but isn't it rumored that Larson is going to be out of the MCU before too long??

According to fake news sites like Cosmic Book News or We Got This/That Covered. Brie Larson has five films left on her contract and Marvel Studios wants to elevate all its female super-hero characters, not sideline them. Don't believe the hate.

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19 minutes ago, @therealsilvermane said:

According to fake news sites like Cosmic Book News or We Got This/That Covered. Brie Larson has five films left on her contract and Marvel Studios wants to elevate all its female super-hero characters, not sideline them. Don't believe the hate.

Umm...both Edward Norton and Terrence Howard had films left on their MCU contracts too.

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On 5/12/2021 at 5:46 AM, @therealsilvermane said:

So by that measure, anybody could have done what Marvel Studios has done? If Geoff Johns was the head honcho of Marvel Studios would they have pulled off the same magic? I think not. What Kevin Feige and co. have done is unique and it changed the world. I call that genius.

definition of true genius: take a brand with a rich 75 year publication history, the backbone of the model superhero film (Superman), the best the superhero film has to offer (Nolan trilogy) and turn it over to a hack that implodes the entire universe in 5 years. GENIUS!!

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