any theories on why prices seem to be dropping with a lot of books? 5 5

[HuddyBee]

I don't know if this has already been brought up, but I haven't seen too large a decrease when it comes to DC SA keys. Marvel books have shot up exponentially since the MCU was started, and I think the hype is simply ending, with Endgame essentially tying the knot. While yes Disney will never let the MCU die, I think the run is mainly over, and therefore books' hype is decreasing along with values. DC books never had that huge spike, and therefore aren't dropping like the Marvel books.

Hot things cool down. Cold things just stay cold. 'nuff said.

Edited January 28, 2020 by HuddyBee

[namisgr]

Showcase #22 prices declined in 2019.  So while its price may not be dropping to the same degree as some of the most valuable Marvel keys, it still appears to be trending down at the moment.

[Spiderphill]

Ive been saying for years that the market is due for a correction and I’m wrong every year. I just felt the growth across the board was unsustainable. Maybe 2020 is the correction. 

My guess is phase 5 of the movie hype will rekindle the market and everyone will max out more credit cards. 

[kimik]

23 minutes ago, Batmanis#1 said:

BB28 seems to be the book that went down the most. The movie hype is scary. This book is an iconic key and just because the movie was bad (yes I hated it to) it went down in value.

The only SA DC book in the top 50 that gets any respect is SC4. It is weird that for the last 10 years seems like everyone thought the other DC keys would spike but they truly have yet to do so.

SA Batman keys have run up nicely and held. That is about it.

[Gotham Kid]

40 minutes ago, Batmanis#1 said:

BB28 seems to be the book that went down the most.

SC4 also tanked

Also, Batman is #1 ... I couldn't agree more

Edited January 28, 2020 by Gotham Kid

[kimik]

3 minutes ago, Gotham Kid said:

Also, Batman is #1

+1

[MGsimba77]

How often do DC keys even sell? I mean the true big ones involving Superman, Batman, W. Woman maybe Green L.? I know JLA #1 but what other books/character 1st would qualify? Flash, Aquaman Joker? I'd imagine census on those low as hell even in low grade. Probably tougher to gauge trend on those

Edited January 28, 2020 by MGsimba77

[piper]

23 minutes ago, Gotham Kid said:

SC4 also tanked

Also, Batman is #1 ... I couldn't agree more

Might be time to get a SC4!

[HuddyBee]

2 hours ago, MGsimba77 said:

How often do DC keys even sell? I mean the true big ones involving Superman, Batman, W. Woman maybe Green L.? I know JLA #1 but what other books/character 1st would qualify? Flash, Aquaman Joker? I'd imagine census on those low as hell even in low grade. Probably tougher to gauge trend on those

All I buy is SA DC. SC4, SC22, AC242 & 252 Adventure 247, BB28, WW98, HOS92, are some of the biggest books. DC books aren't selling as much as marvel because there isn't the hype there. But it is also important to keep in mind that generally SA DC books are harder to find and therefore sell less. Books like My Greatest Adventure 80 are more obscure books that have shot up and retained their value mostly because of their rarity. 

The market for SA DC books is doing fine tho. Books have been slowly creeping up with occasional spikes. I don't anticipate any drops in DC books because like I said they don't have that much support to drop and fall away. The people who are buying DC now would have left to start collecting Marvel years ago or they aren't stoping anytime soon (or they collect both). You don't have non comic-buyers buying SA DC books for "speculation and investments" like they do Marvel. Because of this its a pretty good time to buy DC. The books aren't ridiculous prices and they don't have much value to loose.

Edited January 28, 2020 by HuddyBee

[Glassman10]

Over the fity plus years I had my collection, they always shot up after a recession , always.  I watched my AF15 go from $80.00 to $55,000. If you're trying to flip books, it's an issue. If you're holding books that don't use borrowed money, you'll be fine.  If I'm looking short term, stocks are it. 

[MGsimba77]

18 minutes ago, Glassman10 said:

Over the fity plus years I had my collection, they always shot up after a recession , always.  I watched my AF15 go from $80.00 to $55,000. If you're trying to flip books, it's an issue. If you're holding books that don't use borrowed money, you'll be fine.  If I'm looking short term, stocks are it. 

What guides did you follow before certification and GPA? Overstreet,  Wizard?

[kimik]

3 hours ago, MGsimba77 said:

How often do DC keys even sell? I mean the true big ones involving Superman, Batman, W. Woman maybe Green L.? I know JLA #1 but what other books/character 1st would qualify? Flash, Aquaman Joker? I'd imagine census on those low as hell even in low grade. Probably tougher to gauge trend on those

Every open hour of every day, just like for Marvel keys.

Edited January 29, 2020 by kimik

[WolverineX]

7 hours ago, namisgr said:

Showcase #22 prices declined in 2019.  So while its price may not be dropping to the same degree as some of the most valuable Marvel keys, it still appears to be trending down at the moment.

Agreed, great time to pick it up.  

[Terry E. Gibbs]

8 hours ago, HuddyBee said:

I don't know if this has already been brought up, but I haven't seen too large a decrease when it comes to DC SA keys. Marvel books have shot up exponentially since the MCU was started, and I think the hype is simply ending, with Endgame essentially tying the knot. While yes Disney will never let the MCU die, I think the run is mainly over, and therefore books' hype is decreasing along with values. DC books never had that huge spike, and therefore aren't dropping like the Marvel books.

Hot things cool down. Cold things just stay cold. 'nuff said.

Hmmm which ones did you say were holding up. Flash 123, Adventure 247 and I think that may be it.

 

SC 4, 8, 13, 14 all softer (although I know there are some SC8 sales not recorded,) Action 252, 242, SC 22, B & B 28. Others are static not much up in recent years not much down

[AJCohen]

12 minutes ago, Terry E. Gibbs said:

Hmmm which ones did you say were holding up. Flash 123, Adventure 247 and I think that may be it.

 

SC 4, 8, 13, 14 all softer (although I know there are some SC8 sales not recorded,) Action 252, 242, SC 22, B & B 28. Others are static not much up in recent years not much down

Just picked up my SC4! It has been a dream for a long time and this recent correction helped me pull the trigger. If it corrects further so be it, but this is definitely a long hold for me so I’m not too worried. 👍🏻

 

Edited January 29, 2020 by AJCohen

[Xenosmilus]

Let's not forgot that the population has increased over that last 30 years for example, i.e. this means more nerds collecting . Prices may hold good for awhile as long as the MCU still pumps out good movies.

US Population in 1990 was approximately 250 million

US Population in 2019 was approximately 330 million

[lou_fine]

On 1/27/2020 at 6:31 AM, tth2 said:

On 1/27/2020 at 6:20 AM, chromium said:

Curiouser and

Curiouser

FTFY

Ironically, that phrase comes from the same book that featured Tweedledee and Tweedledum.

Tweedledee and Tweedledum???    

Are you referring to the two young teen girls that used to work in JFK's "private and personal" typing pool?  

If so, I don't believe that English grammer would have been their forte as I don't believe this attribute would have been a necessity in terms of their job qualifications to serve at the pleasure of the President.    

Edited January 29, 2020 by lou_fine

[Jeffro.]

7 hours ago, Xenosmilus said:

Let's not forgot that the population has increased over that last 30 years for example, i.e. this means more nerds collecting . Prices may hold good for awhile as long as the MCU still pumps out good movies.

US Population in 1990 was approximately 250 million

US Population in 2019 was approximately 330 million

That doesn't necessarily translate into more comic collectors though

[zosocane]

I think all of us were expecting this correction phase that we’re in, which began around last half of last year and will continue all of 2020.  The rates of growth had become unsustainable.  I attribute most of the cause to the end of Phase 3 and the “break” Marvel Studios has taken with its big properties.  The rise in vintage video games has also drawn the purchasing power of younger GenX speculators away.  That said, when Fantastic Four and Namor, a New Avengers line-up, and later a fresh X-Men/Wolverine come out on screen (guys, we WILL see Galactus fighting the FF), prices will be on the rise again. And a rebooted Batman franchise in 2021. The decade will be good for the hobby.

[Glassman10]

12 hours ago, MGsimba77 said:

What guides did you follow before certification and GPA? Overstreet,  Wizard?

I went to the pricing at Mycomics, Metropolitan Comics and High Grade Comics ultimately . I started with Overstreet which got me in the ballpark. The most difficult part was and is grading. None of my comics were slabbed. None were on boards with bags. At the time I acquired my comics, all from the news stand that wasn't really a prevalent mentality. I took them out on rare occasions and did take note of price changes, always considering selling them but I never did until 2017 when the price of a 5.0 AF 15 found in a box of comics in an abandoned school bus began to take hold. Initially, I thought I might be able to get a few thousand for it but Bob Storms of High Grade disabused me of that notion. I had the AF15 and about five others cleaned  pressed and slabbed.  It took me about ten months researching before the AF15 went to market. He came to my house for two days and we just sat grading. I learned a ton.  I don't think a 5.0 has sold for more than what Bob got for it. 

I only kept my Journey into mystery/ thor collections and a bunch of Dr Strange. They don't have much value compared to FF4 or ASM and I really like them up until that unfortunate wardrobe selection  in Dr Strange. I'll give them to my son eventually.  Dreckcheck is an interesting site for comparison pricing. 

Edited January 29, 2020 by Glassman10