Is a second printing with a 1st appearance still a first appearance? 0

[Kon_Jelly]

This may be the most Comic Book Guy argument I've seen around here. 

 

Also the answer is yes, subsequent printings still contain the first appearance of a character in that story. It's just not the first time that story has been printed. 

[jcjames]

Aktchually... the first published appearance would be the very first issue that came off the printing press. The rest are all just later copies of that first appearance issue.

 

But, yes. 2nd prints are still 1st appearances.

 

Edited August 21, 2020 by jcjames

[bababooey]

No & CGC should be identifying later prints of a "first appearance" in quotes to bring attention to the qualified nature of the 1st appearance like they do with a retconned "death".  The only no quotation mark first appearance should be the first print. 

So a second print w/ first cover appearance like the Ms Marvel book should read  <"first sppearance", first cover appearance Ms Marvel>

[jcjames]

11 minutes ago, bababooey said:

No & CGC should be identifying later prints of a "first appearance" in quotes to bring attention to the qualified nature of the 1st appearance like they do with a retconned "death".  The only no quotation mark first appearance should be the first print. 

So a second print w/ first cover appearance like the Ms Marvel book should read  <"first sppearance", first cover appearance Ms Marvel>

CGC puts "death" in quotes for because the story can still change later.

Generally the first appearance of a character can't change (do not mention stupid test tubes).

CGC identifies "reprints" or "2nd print" and that should be clear enough to identify that that particular book is a REPRINT of the 1st appearance of yadayada.

To put "1st appearance" in quotes would make it seem like that 1st appearance can change as easily as changing the storylines (which it really can't, do not mention stupid retconning characters).

But basically, saying it's a "reprint" on the label is pretty clear as to what that book is, and it doesn't affect the story.

Edited August 22, 2020 by jcjames

[bababooey]

3 minutes ago, jcjames said:

CGC puts "death" in quotes for because the story can still change later.

Generally the first appearance of a character can't change (do not mention stupid test tubes).

CGC identifies "reprints" or "2nd print" and that should be clear enough to identify that that particular book is a REPRINT of the 1st appearance of yadayada.

To put "1st appearance" in quotes would make it seem like that 1st appearance can change as easily as changing the storylines (which it really can't, do not mention stupid retconning characters).

But basically, saying it's a "reprint" on the label is pretty clear as to what that book is, and it doesn't affect the story.

I agree that the other things like second print, reprint are easy for experienced people to recognize but the quotation mark recommendation for labeling is to indicate that something has changed that disqualifies it from literally being a first appearance.

The simplest argument I can make is to share the definition of the word first.     "FIRST" - coming before all others in time or order, earliest; 1st

[Buzzetta]

Right now I am searching for my 2020 Topps chromium refractor limited edition reprint of the 52’ Mantle.  
 

Why? 
 

because it’s his rookie card... you know.... his first appearance 

Edited August 22, 2020 by Buzzetta

[Hollywood1892]

On 1/27/2020 at 2:19 PM, Blastaar said:

Example:

CGC still labels the second printing of NM #87 as the first appearance of cable. But is it really? 

 

 

Yes it is

It's just the second printing

[Hollywood1892]

On 1/27/2020 at 3:02 PM, wilbil said:

That is interesting. I wonder why it is not the same as book publishing.

It is

A first printing of a book is much more valuable then the tenth but it is still the same story inside