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Steve Ditko actually wrote about Spider-man... A LOT
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2 minutes ago, jsilverjanet said:

I thought it was a thread about Ditko and how he saw his time at Marvel and how he was treated and not necessarily what he wanted.

I think the Kirby stuff has been brought in to discussion of the ongoing rights/credits/financial but unless I missed it Ditko never wanted any of that, he just wanted to set the record straight on what the issue he had was aka his side of the story

Does anyone have a recent issue of Spider-Man? Does it give him co-creator credit? I think starting with Far From Home the movie gives him credit. He's right; he deserved credit.

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3 minutes ago, ADAMANTIUM said:

giphy.gif I didn't understand how were not here to get 2 sides to the story, I can just read Ditko's though (thumbsu I'm out!

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I mean really I haven't posted since page 2, kept waiting until now page 14 for a hint at an answer to my question, guess I didn't need to be too needy and reply at all :foryou: 

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1 minute ago, bb8 said:

Does anyone have a recent issue of Spider-Man? Does it give him co-creator credit? I think starting with Far From Home the movie gives him credit. He's right; he deserved credit.

If you READ it... his point wasn’t even in concern for that. He could care less how he was viewed or remembered. 
 

He could’ve made a great deal of money off of his history - he didn’t. He didn’t care about the money.  
 

He took issue with Stan distorting what he felt like was the truth. So he put that into an essay. 
 

The Stan Brigade here seems to overlook that and want to bring up Kirby endlessly as way to say “Look at the greed!”  
 

But Ditko wanted no money from it, no fame, wasn’t interested in the movies... he was just interested in the truth as he saw it. 

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6 minutes ago, bb8 said:

Does anyone have a recent issue of Spider-Man? Does it give him co-creator credit? I think starting with Far From Home the movie gives him credit. He's right; he deserved credit.

I agree.    Doesn't change what he did or didn't own rights to, but he certainly deserves acknowledgement (not that he doesn't have extremely wide informal acknowledgement already).

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If you READ it... his point wasn’t even in concern for that. He could care less how he was viewed or remembered. 
 

He could’ve made a great deal of money off of his history - he didn’t. He didn’t care about the money.  
 

He took issue with Stan distorting what he felt like was the truth. So he put that into an essay. 
 

The Stan Brigade here seems to overlook that and want to bring up Kirby endlessly as way to say “Look at the greed!”  
 

But Ditko wanted no money from it, no fame, wasn’t interested in the movies... he was just interested in the truth as he saw it. 

'As he saw it' being the key qualifier there.

I don't know how anyone can call what he wrote any sort of serious search for the truth.    What little I read was a hate blast.   The trouble with 30 pages of hate is that you lose all credibility via assumed bias.

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6 hours ago, Chuck Gower said:

The essay's by Ditko I'd really like to read are the one's that appeared in Robin Synder's 'The Comics' where he addresses specifically the origin and first couple of issues of the ASM, each getting their own essay.

Years ago I picked up a copy of one of these somewhere (and I'm pretty sure I posted them here) but in case you didn't see it, here it is....

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Thanks for posting this article, Chuck.  Ditko's criticism of Kirby for taking credit for Spider-man is interesting (and better written).

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1 minute ago, theCapraAegagrus said:

The only question I see is if you're Lee or Ditko...?

and it was to the person I quoted too (shrug) guess I could have pm'd him....

Just trying to break the tension as others are too :foryou: Felicia out 

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1 hour ago, Chuck Gower said:

The Stan Lee Outrage brigade comes out in full force at the mere mention of either Jack or Steve. 
 

Dirko was entitled to his opinion, I was curious to read it - thought others would be too (they are). And now all this...

And the opinions you've posted by Ditko repeatedly include his opinion about Jack taking credit for creating Spider-man, not just his opinion's about Stan taking credit.  That's why Jack comes up.

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31 minutes ago, jsilverjanet said:

 

I think the Kirby stuff has been brought in to discussion of the ongoing rights/credits/financial but unless I missed it Ditko never wanted any of that, he just wanted to set the record straight on what the issue he had was aka his side of the story

Part of Ditko setting the record straight was lambasting Jack for taking credit for creating Spider-man.  That is discussed in Ditko's articles posted throughout this thread.  I also thought that was an ironic juxaposition with Chuck's thread over on the SA boards that also re-published attacks on Stan:

 

 

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5 hours ago, Chuck Gower said:

I like his Blue Beetle and Question work he did about a year after leaving Marvel... it looks very Marvel-style Ditko. And whereas it's missing that zippy Stan Lee dialogue, it's packed with lots of action.

I've found this thread very informative thus far---thanks to everyone for your different contributions and viewpoints. 

If I may, I'd also like to give some credit to Ditko's wonderful Warren magazine contributions. I think it's some of his best work, often superior to anything he did for Marvel or Charlton, IMO. And from what I've read about his Warren days, Ditko was always easy to work with and never missed a deadline. 

If I may put forward a slice of personal philosophy, I feel that folks with artistic tendencies flourish in an environment where they're allowed to work in a free-flowing manner. It's all about the process of creating. If this process is impeded in any way, a certain amount of doubt and dissatisfaction will invariably creep in. That explains why many artists keep moving; they're looking for the ideal environment in which to create...

 

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