William-James88 Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 25 minutes ago, The Lions Den said: As long as there is no damage to the book itself or the inner well, a simple reholder would still be possible... Thanks Lions Den. I do wonder something though. Say there is no damage to the book itself or the inner well. BUT the seal being broken (as appears to be the case). How would CGC know that either the person who recieved the book or the seller didn't break it open and switched a signed book with another of a lesser graded holder (say a 9.4) ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skypinkblu Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 I sent a bunch of books in a while ago to have the Newton ring issue fixed. One of the books was damaged. So reholdering is not an option I'd chance. So no contest, send it back. Larryw7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William-James88 Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 1 minute ago, skypinkblu said: I sent a bunch of books in a while ago to have the Newton ring issue fixed. One of the books was damaged. So reholdering is not an option I'd chance. So no contest, send it back. Does CGC not have insurance for damaged books in their posession? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skypinkblu Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 1 minute ago, William-James88 said: Does CGC not have insurance for damaged books in their posession? They gave me a small refund. This was a GA book, and not easily replaced. I didn't want to give it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slym2none Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 (edited) Quote "Send it back" x 11 x12 -slym Edited February 27, 2020 by slym2none Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William-James88 Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 1 hour ago, skypinkblu said: They gave me a small refund. This was a GA book, and not easily replaced. I didn't want to give it up. Oh man that breaks my heart. Many of those books are irreplaceable (grade wise) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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s-man Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 If it was me and I really liked the book, first I would consult CGC about the reholdering, just to make sure it can be without ruining the SS status. Once they say yes to that I would have it reholdered and ask for a refund from the seller for those fees and shipping. Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lions Den Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 3 hours ago, William-James88 said: Thanks Lions Den. I do wonder something though. Say there is no damage to the book itself or the inner well. BUT the seal being broken (as appears to be the case). How would CGC know that either the person who recieved the book or the seller didn't break it open and switched a signed book with another of a lesser graded holder (say a 9.4) ? What a sneaky thing to do... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADAMANTIUM Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 (edited) 23 minutes ago, The Lions Den said: 4 hours ago, William-James88 said: Thanks Lions Den. I do wonder something though. Say there is no damage to the book itself or the inner well. BUT the seal being broken (as appears to be the case). How would CGC know that either the person who recieved the book or the seller didn't break it open and switched a signed book with another of a lesser graded holder (say a 9.4) ? What a sneaky thing to do... I think he's asking if it's possible? Which I dont think it is, the sealed mylar that the book is encased in also has the label encased, the slab being unsealed doesn't matter to my knowledge. And barring all that, cgc would determine that it needs to be regraded if it waw all too far gone for sure Edited February 27, 2020 by ADAMANTIUM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADAMANTIUM Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 There are older slabs where the label isnt encased in mylar, but again if the case was that far gone, cgc would decide to regrade it.. Krismusic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lions Den Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 14 minutes ago, ADAMANTIUM said: I think he's asking if it's possible? Which I dont think it is, the sealed mylar that the book is encased in also has the label encased, the slab being unsealed doesn't matter to my knowledge. And barring all that, cgc would determine that it needs to be regraded if it waw all too far gone for sure I didn't mean to imply that our friend William-James88 was planning on anything nefarious. But I have seen a lot of shady things over the years...especially when I worked for CGC. ADAMANTIUM 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B2D327 Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 4 hours ago, The Lions Den said: Correct. There has to be adequate packaging or the postal service will deny the claim. And this packaging is a long way from "adequate"... ^ this the postal service is not responsible for how the sender packed the item. Their job is to get it from A to B. There’s no proof it wasn’t already damaged beforehand even though you and I know better Krismusic and The Lions Den 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gadzukes Posted February 28, 2020 Author Share Posted February 28, 2020 Thanks everyone for your input. I was actually contemplating sending it in for the reholder myself, but..... I now think I'm just going to send it back to the seller for the refund. The seller was super apologetic and answered my emails lightning quick which is a good sign. The seller said even though he is selling some comics right now, he's not a comic person and he had never mailed a CGC slab before and simply didn't think much about it. Whatever..... I'm going to send it back and be done with it. Krismusic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
an99 Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 That's terrible. I'd send it back... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turtle Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 14 hours ago, gadzukes said: Thanks everyone for your input. I was actually contemplating sending it in for the reholder myself, but..... I now think I'm just going to send it back to the seller for the refund. The seller was super apologetic and answered my emails lightning quick which is a good sign. The seller said even though he is selling some comics right now, he's not a comic person and he had never mailed a CGC slab before and simply didn't think much about it. Whatever..... I'm going to send it back and be done with it. The last part surprises me. Even if the seller isn't familiar with graded comics, the seller is fully aware that the auction ended at over $1000. I'm not sure I can think of a single thing that sells for over even $300 that I'd feel comfortable shipping in a bag/envelope. For me, anything with a price tag that high should go in a box. I'm glad to hear they're cooperating. Good on them for that. I hope they use the opportunity to learn. I'd say it's a cheap lesson, but I don't fully understand how Paypal's new refund policy works. It might be a little more costly than it used to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gadzukes Posted February 28, 2020 Author Share Posted February 28, 2020 24 minutes ago, Turtle said: The last part surprises me. Even if the seller isn't familiar with graded comics, the seller is fully aware that the auction ended at over $1000. I'm not sure I can think of a single thing that sells for over even $300 that I'd feel comfortable shipping in a bag/envelope. For me, anything with a price tag that high should go in a box. I'm glad to hear they're cooperating. Good on them for that. I hope they use the opportunity to learn. I'd say it's a cheap lesson, but I don't fully understand how Paypal's new refund policy works. It might be a little more costly than it used to be. I agree with you 100%. I can only think they thought the slab was indestructible so it was safe to send it that way. But seriously.... no padding or cardboard? The saddest part is..... you would think no one could be that dumb, but I've had at least 2 other slabs sent to me in an envelope in the last 10 years. The lesson here is.... NEVER assume good packing. ALWAYS ask for secure shipping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenWA Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 On 2/27/2020 at 4:37 PM, gadzukes said: You already know how this ends..... This package came in the mail today. When I felt the package I knew it was a CGC slab because THERE WAS NO CARDBOARD and I could simply feel the plastic thru the envelope. SO I paid over $1000 for this and the seller couldn't take the time to use cardboard, padding, or a box. The slab is opening about half way down one side. The comic appears to be ok. The seller said he would try to get some insurance for me, but when the PO insurance sees these pics won't they just say "Um... where's the packing protection?" So..... should I have the seller pay for a reholder plus shipping? Just send it back and get my money back? See if he's able to get some insurance out of it? I read your post, and through the many helpful replies. I learned a bit from those to (so thanks y'awl). I have little to add that hasn't been said before. So I'll just say I'm sorry for your pain, and I hope the return and refund works out well for you. Thank you for sharing. Best wishes Stephen ADAMANTIUM 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turtle Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 10 minutes ago, gadzukes said: I agree with you 100%. I can only think they thought the slab was indestructible so it was safe to send it that way. But seriously.... no padding or cardboard? The saddest part is..... you would think no one could be that dumb, but I've had at least 2 other slabs sent to me in an envelope in the last 10 years. The lesson here is.... NEVER assume good packing. ALWAYS ask for secure shipping. I NEVER ask for secure shipping. I always feel it's insulting to the seller. I find it insulting when the buyer sends a message saying "be sure to pack this securely for shipping! ". My outgoing message reads "You got it, boss!". My inner monologue is "This guy must think I'm a insufficiently_thoughtful_person!". If my feedback is littered with comments like "flimsy packaging" or the like, then sure, a gentle nudge is warranted. But when my feedback is loaded with "fast/secure shipping" comments, don't call me a insufficiently_thoughtful_person, please. Different strokes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR SigS Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 15 hours ago, gadzukes said: Thanks everyone for your input. I was actually contemplating sending it in for the reholder myself, but..... I now think I'm just going to send it back to the seller for the refund. If the seller has more to sell, this is the best way for them to learn. Much like the recent thread concerning a new buyer; It isn't the buyer's job to educate the seller (aside from returning an item) any more than it's the seller's job to educate the buyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
