jcjames Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 Is this too rough handling of this Sups 1? CGC Facebook Post ThothAmon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThothAmon Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 Cool. Holy carp I would certainly have been more deliberate. Cover and 16 folios (less the cutout). Guess a qualified grade really slams the value. Larryw7 and jcjames 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockMyAmadeus Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 Matt Nelson hands! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR SigS Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 The video makes me think of this. BlowUpTheMoon, RockMyAmadeus, Semicentennial and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcjames Posted March 1, 2020 Author Share Posted March 1, 2020 (edited) So... was this poor handling? Or extremely experienced handling? Edited March 1, 2020 by jcjames Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post gadzukes Posted March 1, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 1, 2020 Hmmm.... it seemed a bit rough for a super valuable comic. The bottom right corner of the front cover had a fragile crease that extended into the first 3 or 4 interior pages. So the technique being used for the quick page count was putting pressure RIGHT ON THAT FRAGILE CORNER. IMO I think there needed to be a moment shown in the video where the grader looks for weak spots in the spine & cover before the page count starts (and maybe check the staples at the CF to see if it's tearing out). Now to be fair, the grader may have actually done that, but it's not shown on the video, and it's important that you show your patrons the care you take with their rarities. I didn't like seeing the water bottle on the table at the end of the video too. If I'm having my Superman 1 graded I expect that there WILL NOT be a water bottle on the table. Krismusic, Larryw7, Raze and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillOnly25Cents Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 19 minutes ago, gadzukes said: Hmmm.... it seemed a bit rough for a super valuable comic. The bottom right corner of the front cover had a fragile crease that extended into the first 3 or 4 interior pages. So the technique being used for the quick page count was putting pressure RIGHT ON THAT FRAGILE CORNER. IMO I think there needed to be a moment shown in the video where the grader looks for weak spots in the spine & cover before the page count starts (and maybe check the staples at the CF to see if it's tearing out). Now to be fair, the grader may have actually done that, but it's not shown on the video, and it's important that you show your patrons the care you take with their rarities. I didn't like seeing the water bottle on the table at the end of the video too. If I'm having my Superman 1 graded I expect that there WILL NOT be a water bottle on the table. I’d say this ^ is pretty much spot on now I know it was only a pg counting not a grading, but if they actually graded with the same speed maybe it wouldn’t take 2+ months to get a book back Larryw7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PopKulture Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 That seems pretty cavalier to me. Larryw7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelrain41 Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 I was actually going to post something similar. I haven't seen a single positive comment on their post, just a lot of angry collectors lol. The way he bends the cover almost in half while counting and pulling pages apart... I cringe watching it. If it was my book I'd be upset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadroch Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 I can't believe no one has come with a mechanical method of counting pages. If there was even a task that called out for robots, this is it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffro. Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 9 hours ago, jcjames said: So... was this poor handling? Or extremely experienced handling? The two are not mutually exclusive jcjames and Larryw7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Readcomix Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 Lotta spine stress dished out there, from careless handling of the book's own weight, it seems. Wow. I would have stopped that in process, early on, if I were its owner. While I do think it illustrates that even very old books are sometimes more durable than we think, that was still far too cavalier for me. Raze 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comicginger1789 Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 I have no issue with that handling. Suppose you own a classic sports car. And you wanna see how well it performs on the track. Are you really gonna tell professional racecar driver guy who does this for a living and has for a long time to “drive slow and be careful”!?! Granted, he could crash. Something could break on your car while he is driving. He could crash going quickly or slowly. But you paid him $50-100 to test your car and if he doesn’t do it the way you like then don’t bother paying him. greggy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aardvark88 Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 15 minutes ago, comicginger1789 said: I have no issue with that handling. +. This is same way Harley or I would pre-screen a GA comic for page count at a con when there are deals to be made all around. Would just put the water bottle farther away or on the floor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post gadzukes Posted March 1, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 1, 2020 (edited) 24 minutes ago, aardvark88 said: +. This is same way Harley or I would pre-screen a GA comic for page count at a con when there are deals to be made all around. Would just put the water bottle farther away or on the floor. What about the final few pages and front cover where it was clear that there was a crease and that it might be more fragile. It seemed like he was applying a lot of pressure to flip those pages. After rewatching the video many aspects about what he is doing seem fine (professional). The bend of the book doesn't bother me. No gloves doesn't bother me (as long as his hands are clean). But I don't get a sense that "care" is being taken. Even if this is what he would do behind closed doors on a page count, he's doing this in front of potential customers so I believe he should have shown a little more of an appearance of "tender loving care". And the water bottle..... I've seen videos of museum paper restoration experts, and they show an unbelievable amount of care & respect for the papers they are handling. I didn't see any respect for the paper shown here. Edited March 1, 2020 by gadzukes Steelrain41, Readcomix, JJ-4 and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comicginger1789 Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 (edited) Water bottle is living dangerously even though lid is on it. Then again how many of us drink or leave an open drink next to the computer? Probably shouldn’t but doesn’t mean careless. Heres the reality. You have Grader guy A. He’s a bit old school been doing it forever and nails grades 99% of the time. However because he is maybe a little quicker he does cause small bit of damage, say 1 out of 1000 books. Then you have Grader guy B. Less experienced but knows his stuff. He is maybe a little more respectful in the eyes of the public. Sometimes he has gloves and takes a bit more time. But this costs him and whereas Grader A hits 1000 books in whatever timeframe, Grader B can only ever hit 700. But his grades are still almost as accurate and he rarely if ever causes any damage. The reality is both work for CGC and CGC would be smart to have both. You can’t have everyone in a workplace be exactly the same. You have the diversity that overall equals out and makes you successful. Until they find a way for robots to do it, this shall be. Expect errors on occasion. If Grader A slows down then people don’t get books back as quick, they aren’t ready in time for shows and they could lose money. If Grader A continues doing what he does, well there may be the chance a small tear, crease or fingerprint is seen once in a while. I just think it’s all relative to the hobby. My grades are not your grades. My practices are not yours. Doesn’t mean they are right or wrong or better or worse. It’s what works for those involved. And if it doesn’t and if CGC has a lot of these supposed problems then maybe a new leader in the field should emerge. Also I know I said Grader guy but my guy applies to males, females and all identities in between and beyond Edited March 1, 2020 by comicginger1789 gadzukes, Point Five and silversurfer275 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gaard Posted March 1, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 1, 2020 This isn't a car, it's 80-year-old paper. Be careful when handling it. mackenzie999, Readcomix, MB1952 and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastballspecial Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 I am sure someone got chewed for showing that video tape to a lot of seriously OCD people. That being said with a book that old I would have worn gloves too. In fact I wouldn't have shown that video at all. There was not an upside to it at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RockMyAmadeus Posted March 1, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 1, 2020 For anyone wondering: you DO NOT wear gloves when handling comics. You lose the tactile sensation in your fingers, and you can very easily slip a book out of your hand that way. You need to be able to use your fingers for what they're made for: fine sensation of weight, texture, and friction, so you can handle a book properly with less danger of dropping it. You DO NOT wear gloves. Anyone wearing gloves when handling books is putting on a show. The only exceptions would be books, like TMNT #1, that are exceptionally prone to fingerprints. That said...the proper way to handle comics is with ultra-clean hands, using a degreasing soap like Dawn so the sebum on your hands is completely washed off. Unfortunately, because the production of sebum is constant, this means the hands need to be washed multiple times during the day when handling books. A pair of hands that has been degreased can even safely handle the aforementioned TMNT #1, provided one is very careful. Any substance you have on your hands can be transferred to the books, no matter how trace. I've had several comics that smelled of perfume/cologne; once it gets into the paper, it's impossible to get out without using restorative processes. wolverine180, davidtere, Mr Sneeze and 10 others 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comicginger1789 Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 The gloves complainers are wrong in my eyes. The mishandling of the pages. You could be slower and more careful. You could be much more flippant. Curling a page like that isn’t bad but I can see people a bit concerned with the address pressure on that crease. Either way I don’t think he’s devaluing it so I personally am ok with it. End of the day though, it seems CGC has upset more people than not. So definitely as @fastballspecial said it’s probably not a beneficial video at all. Probably woulda been best to not share and keep their handling of comics behind closed doors or at least show a little more detailed context with the expert (and perhaps even have him be gently so as to appeal to all those who might take issue). In the end, it might lose a few peoples business which is never good for a business. gadzukes and fastballspecial 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
