Has the Corona virus affected any cons yet? 7 7

[lou_fine]

47 minutes ago, MedicAR said:

5 hours ago, lou_fine said:

Since there's no ongoing real-time body count count that's being done around the world for these other much more common and also deadly seasonal contagions, than the true culprit here (i.e. the virus of fear and panic) does not rear its irrational ugly head to the same extent.    

There is a weekly count released by CDC for the US.  If you were to compare the flu to COVID-19, you would see more deaths from flu than there are cases of COVID-19.  

You must realize that the ease of availability for the general public to this information for the seasonal flu as compared to Covid-19 is like the difference between night and day.  

Of course the information is available for both in this day and age of the internet and social media.  The only problem is that the count for the seasonal flu is only available on a weekly basis and then I imagine you would have to go searching for it on the CDC website.  In comparison to the body count in terms of cases and deaths where they have an ongoing real time count which you see ALL THE TIME whenever you watch the news on TV, listen to it on the radio, or click onto any of the social media platforms.  

For the general public unlike you who appears to be in the medical field, there is a huge difference between information that is "out of sight, out of mind" (i.e. stats on seasonal flu), as opposed to infomation which is "right in your face" (i.e. stats on Covid-19) all the time no matter where you turn.  

[lizards2]

1 hour ago, VintageComics said:

As CV 19 will likely be one day.

I see this is a great opportunity for people to change bad habits. I've never liked shaking hands and I've stopped doing it. This was a great reason to.

This really makes me want to touch you, Roy.  

[Tony S]

A lot of back and forth here - including many people well educated and well spoken.  But I'll add my few cents...

Yes, the seasonal flu does make many more people sick and kill many more people every year than does CV-19.  That is a fact. So many a person and some of our politicians are saying "quit worrying"

But - CV 19 morality rate is far, far higher than the flu.  The WHO organization is putting the mortality rate at 3.4%. That would be 3400 deaths per 100,000 cases.  Versus 14 deaths per 100,000 cases of the flu. And there is no vaccination as yet - it will be at least next year and maybe two years before such is available.  One could say a three percent chance of something happening is low. But we are talking about death . If 3.4% --- or even 1% --- of commercial airline flights crashed NO ONE would fly - including the pilots and attendants. 

It is also worth noting that age and gender seem to be a large factor. Two thirds of the deaths are male. 30% are 60-69 and 50% are 70 or older. So WHO says CV 19 has an overall 3.4% mortality rate. But most of those deaths are men age 60 and older. Not too comforting a thought if you happen to be part of that demographic.  But still there is unknowns about the stats. There are not enough test kits, won't be for another month. Maybe a lot more people that get it and never get tested - and recover just fine. That would reduce the overall mortality rate.  Which is why we NEED the test kits. So public health officials have a better picture of transmission, can better plan. 

CV-19 also appears to spread really fast once it hits an area (perhaps because no vaccination exists and since it is new few people have a natural immunity) So when it hits an area, it can quickly explode in the population. Which overwhelms local medical resources. THIS is the reason why of all the quarantines. As Barney Fife would say - "we need to NIP it in the BUD!" 

Countries with developed economies may actually have end up more problems with controlling CV 19 until a vaccine is available. Because developed countries have economies largely based on retail. People waiting on people, people shopping, people attending events. 

Soooo.. There is no way we'll know now how this plays out. Maybe a year from now we all are saying big fuss about a little thing. Or maybe it will get really bad. Or maybe it would have been really bad except for the over-abundance of caution being practiced by health control officials and businesses/organizations cancelling large public events. Postponing or cancelling ECC - and event that draws huge crowds (what, 100,000 attendees?) into an area that it's believed CV-19 may have been circulating for a couple of months.  They might as well postpone - as a lot of guests and fans were thinking they might just skip. 

[lizards2]

15 minutes ago, Tony S said:

A lot of back and forth here - including many people well educated and well spoken.  But I'll add my few cents...

Yes, the seasonal flu does make many more people sick and kill many more people every year than does CV-19.  That is a fact. So many a person and some of our politicians are saying "quit worrying"

But - CV 19 morality rate is far, far higher than the flu.  The WHO organization is putting the mortality rate at 3.4%. That would be 3400 deaths per 100,000 cases.  Versus 14 deaths per 100,000 cases of the flu. And there is no vaccination as yet - it will be at least next year and maybe two years before such is available.  One could say a three percent chance of something happening is low. But we are talking about death . If 3.4% --- or even 1% --- of commercial airline flights crashed NO ONE would fly - including the pilots and attendants. 

It is also worth noting that age and gender seem to be a large factor. Two thirds of the deaths are male. 30% are 60-69 and 50% are 70 or older. So WHO says CV 19 has an overall 3.4% mortality rate. But most of those deaths are men age 60 and older. Not too comforting a thought if you happen to be part of that demographic.  But still there is unknowns about the stats. There are not enough test kits, won't be for another month. Maybe a lot more people that get it and never get tested - and recover just fine. That would reduce the overall mortality rate.  Which is why we NEED the test kits. So public health officials have a better picture of transmission, can better plan. 

CV-19 also appears to spread really fast once it hits an area (perhaps because no vaccination exists and since it is new few people have a natural immunity) So when it hits an area, it can quickly explode in the population. Which overwhelms local medical resources. THIS is the reason why of all the quarantines. As Barney Fife would say - "we need to NIP it in the BUD!" 

Countries with developed economies may actually have end up more problems with controlling CV 19 until a vaccine is available. Because developed countries have economies largely based on retail. People waiting on people, people shopping, people attending events. 

Soooo.. There is no way we'll know now how this plays out. Maybe a year from now we all are saying big fuss about a little thing. Or maybe it will get really bad. Or maybe it would have been really bad except for the over-abundance of caution being practiced by health control officials and businesses/organizations cancelling large public events. Postponing or cancelling ECC - and event that draws huge crowds (what, 100,000 attendees?) into an area that it's believed CV-19 may have been circulating for a couple of months.  They might as well postpone - as a lot of guests and fans were thinking they might just skip. 

what I really want to know is...., should I start shredding my porn and getting my affairs in order?  

[Tony S]

3 minutes ago, lizards2 said:

what I really want to know is...., should I start shredding my porn and getting my affairs in order?  

It doesn't sound like you get out much, so should be fine..... And if you go out even less, you are gonna wish you still had that porn 

[lizards2]

37 minutes ago, Tony S said:

42 minutes ago, lizards2 said:

what I really want to know is...., should I start shredding my porn and getting my affairs in order?  

It doesn't sound like you get out much, so should be fine..... And if you go out even less, you are gonna wish you still had that porn 

I was at the Oregon State Wrestling Championships a couple weekends ago...., Portland/Vancouver - the great unwashed masses...., then down to Klamass Falls last week, where they just had a case - a filth fest down in that part of Orygun.  I'll be fine because this is a bunch of media driven BS.

Edited March 10, 2020 by lizards2

[unclezebo]

Did they shake hands after? Thats the part that had me kinda chuckling, a buncha sweaty people competing against each other with LOTSA contact.................but wait hold up!!!!!! NO shaking hands! We want to be safe.

Edited March 10, 2020 by unclezebo

[lizards2]

4 minutes ago, unclezebo said:

Did they shake hands after? Thats the part that had me kinda chuckling, a buncha sweaty people competing against each other with LOTSA contact.................but wait hold up!!!!!! NO shaking hands! We want to be safe.

Absolutely! Every time. It is a requirement for sportsmanship.

The transmission of a lot of stuff is not through stuff like this.  No matter how much the homophobes and germophobes rage.  I was watching he PAC-12 championships Saturday, and one of the competitors was trying to warn his opponent away, then he puked on the mat. Then it was evident then he huarked over in his corner too.  They just swabbed everything down, dried it out, and went back after it.  Good times!

[thunsicker]

12 minutes ago, lizards2 said:

I was at the Oregon State Wrestling Championships a couple weekends ago...., Portland/Vancouver - the great unwashed masses...., then down to Klamass Falls last week, where they just had a case - a filth fest down in that part of Orygun.  I'll be fine because this is a bunch of media driven BS.

The NCAA tournament is on here in Minneapolis next weekend.  I may have to get tickets to see how my Hawkeyes do.

[lizards2]

10 minutes ago, thunsicker said:

The NCAA tournament is on here in Minneapolis next weekend.  I may have to get tickets to see how my Hawkeyes do.

If you can get them.  Maybe with all the paranoia, it will be easy.

 

[thunsicker]

1 minute ago, lizards2 said:

If you can get them.  Maybe with all the paranoia, it will be easy.

 

Love that photo.  Though I'm more of a Spencer Lee fan.  More action at the lower weights.

[lizards2]

1 minute ago, thunsicker said:

Love that photo.  Though I'm more of a Spencer Lee fan.  More action at the lower weights.

It really depends on the conference. The Pac-12s were fairly active in all the weights.

I saw a an ASU / Mizz dual this year that was just blistering through all the weights.  Holeee Karp You wouldn't know the fat ones from the little ones!!!

[thunsicker]

4 minutes ago, lizards2 said:

It really depends on the conference. The Pac-12s were fairly active in all the weights.

I saw a an ASU / Mizz dual this year that was just blistering through all the weights.  Holeee Karp You wouldn't know the fat ones from the little ones!!!

Could be.  Though watching Gable Stevenson / Mason Parris in the Big Ten tournament wasn’t as exciting as the lower weights.  And I’ll give you good odds one of those two wins the NCAA’s at hwt.

[lizards2]

1 minute ago, thunsicker said:

7 minutes ago, lizards2 said:

It really depends on the conference. The Pac-12s were fairly active in all the weights.

I saw a an ASU / Mizz dual this year that was just blistering through all the weights.  Holeee Karp You wouldn't know the fat ones from the little ones!!!

Could be.  Though watching Gable Stevenson / Mason Parris in the Big Ten tournament wasn’t as exciting as the lower weights.  And I’ll give you good odds one of those two wins the NCAA’s at hwt.

Yeah...., HWT...., 

Dang.  I went back to HS Nationals in VA Beach a couple years, and the heavyweights were pretty much all just gigantic, built studs. Nothing like you see in our State finals.  Then again, one of those years at VA Beach, a pudgy ball won it all.  

[lizards2]

11 minutes ago, thunsicker said:

Could be.  Though watching Gable Stevenson / Mason Parris in the Big Ten tournament wasn’t as exciting as the lower weights.  And I’ll give you good odds one of those two wins the NCAA’s at hwt.

My wife and I refer to the typical heavyweight match as a panda bear mating ritual.

[thunsicker]

28 minutes ago, lizards2 said:

My wife and I refer to the typical heavyweight match as a panda bear mating ritual.

Managed to find a video of the Stevenson Parris match on YouTube..

Edited March 10, 2020 by thunsicker

[wilbil]

7 hours ago, lizards2 said:

This really makes me want to touch you, Roy.  

that was good. very good.

[Rhymenoceros]

This turned into a College wrestling thread now ? 

[wilbil]

30 minutes ago, Rhymenoceros said:

This turned into a College wrestling thread now ? 

thank goodness because i thought i was in a continuous medical school lecture for a while there, and had no idea how i was going to pass if i couldn't keep up.

[Krismusic]

9 hours ago, lizards2 said:

what I really want to know is...., should I start shredding my porn and getting my affairs in order?  

yup.. you can send me those playboys