Has the Corona virus affected any cons yet? 7 7

[wilbil]

10 hours ago, lizards2 said:

I'm sorry for your upcoming loss....,  

that was good.

[JJ-4]

16 hours ago, dupont2005 said:

Yeah, any of those mild cases can turn not mild for any number of reasons, as they have been doing in order to bring the mortality rate up to what it is. Another statistic is people recovered from covid-19, which is a far lower number than those who have died from it. Worrying 

 

and even if it were “only” 4.5%, that’s 45 times the mortality rate of the flu. 

But we've explained that it's not 4.1% due to the lack of testing.  And may people have recovered from it just as folks get over the flu or the common cold.  80% of the people that get it will have no to very mild symptoms.  Repeat, many people will have no symptoms and not even know they have it.  Please stop the mis-information.

[Mr. Zipper]

5 minutes ago, JJ-4 said:

But we've explained that it's not 4.1% due to the lack of testing.  And may people have recovered from it just as folks get over the flu or the common cold.  80% of the people that get it will have no to very mild symptoms.  Repeat, many people will have no symptoms and not even know they have it.  Please stop the mis-information.

This has been my point all along. NO ONE is arguing it isn't serious or dangerous.

Yet he persists in posting distorted statistics with doomsday numbers. The last thing we need now is panic and unnecessary anxiety on top of an already stressful situation.

[Black_Adam]

13 hours ago, lizards2 said:

I'm sorry for your upcoming loss....,  

I guess if there is any silver lining to having never owned (or felt a need to own) a gun it's that nearly 3/4 of Canadians are in exactly the same boat. Odds are if anyone tries kicking in my door in a desperate bid for toilet paper we'll both be armed with hockey sticks.

[wilbil]

1 hour ago, Black_Adam said:

be armed with hockey sticks

that was gooder.

[musicmeta]

The biggest concern with this COVID-19 is that there is not much they can do about it.  If you have the "Flu", you can get treated for it i.e... antibiotics, z-pack,..etc...In another words there is a little bit of "security" with the other types of Flu's versus the coronavirus(COVID-19).
With the coronavirus, It's pretty much "tough it out and hope you make it"...which most do but those that don't it's death at the worst..  I don't know about you but I don't want to catch something where there is nothing anybody can do about it as of now and you stand a chance (it's slim) of actually dying from it.  It seems to be a lot more contagious then other Flu type illnesses.  I've been around people that were at their peek with the Flu...Just awful they way they were feeling and I didn't catch anything (lucky me those times).  I would go to work and people would show up sick coughing and sneezing all around me and most of the healthy people didn't catch anything and were ok including me.  But COVID-19 seems a lot lot more contagious and takes longer for the symptoms to show.  
Oh, and just because you don't die from catching it, doesn't mean you will not suffer serious long term issues.  Again, most folks recover just fine but it's that small percent that don't that's driving the "Fear" around.   

Edited March 21, 2020 by musicmeta

[Hollywood1892]

[wormboy]

We cancelled our April 4 show (Berkeley Comic Show).

We do four shows a year. Hopefully things will be back to (somewhat) normal by the June show 

Stay safe out there everyone 

[aardvark88]

41 minutes ago, wormboy said:

 

Stay safe out there everyone 

+1. Comic book and gaming shops are not deemed essential services so are being ordered to close indefinately by the City of Vancouver's health officials. Students may not be returning to class until Labor Day. I get the bad feeling that 30% of all comic shops may be forced to close for financial reasons by Sept, 2020. This is horrible for all small business.

[greggy]

39 minutes ago, aardvark88 said:

+1. Comic book and gaming shops are not deemed essential services so are being ordered to close indefinately by the City of Vancouver's health officials. Students may not be returning to class until Labor Day. I get the bad feeling that 30% of all comic shops may be forced to close for financial reasons by Sept, 2020. This is horrible for all small business.

There's no essential services order in Vancouver so I have no clue what you're talking about.  For someone who doesn't live in the city, you sure like to post "news" that isn't true.  The stores that may have closed down at the moment have all done it voluntarily probably due to poor business or to protect themselves.  

[VintageComics]

52 minutes ago, greggy said:

There's no essential services order in Vancouver so I have no clue what you're talking about.  For someone who doesn't live in the city, you sure like to post "news" that isn't true.  The stores that may have closed down at the moment have all done it voluntarily probably due to poor business or to protect themselves.  

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[dupont2005]

On 3/20/2020 at 9:00 AM, JJ-4 said:

But we've explained that it's not 4.1% due to the lack of testing.  

No, you’ve speculated based on numbers that don’t exist. Using numbers that DO exist is how I get to my conclusion

[fastballspecial]

On 3/20/2020 at 7:52 PM, musicmeta said:

The biggest concern with this COVID-19 is that there is not much they can do about it.  If you have the "Flu", you can get treated for it i.e... antibiotics, z-pack,..etc...In another words there is a little bit of "security" with the other types of Flu's versus the coronavirus(COVID-19).
With the coronavirus, It's pretty much "tough it out and hope you make it"...which most do but those that don't it's death at the worst..  I don't know about you but I don't want to catch something where there is nothing anybody can do about it as of now and you stand a chance (it's slim) of actually dying from it.  It seems to be a lot more contagious then other Flu type illnesses.  I've been around people that were at their peek with the Flu...Just awful they way they were feeling and I didn't catch anything (lucky me those times).  I would go to work and people would show up sick coughing and sneezing all around me and most of the healthy people didn't catch anything and were ok including me.  But COVID-19 seems a lot lot more contagious and takes longer for the symptoms to show.  
Oh, and just because you don't die from catching it, doesn't mean you will not suffer serious long term issues.  Again, most folks recover just fine but it's that small percent that don't that's driving the "Fear" around.   

That's pretty much it. The Spanish flu was too long ago, but KY governor did a really good job of explaining the case rate by using Philadelphia and St Louis as examples. One socially isolated and the
other did not. The results were staggering. Philadelphia made a tragic mistake and their mortality rate sky rocketed.

Densely populated areas are going to get hurt bad because the transmission ability is much higher. Even though we are late on addressing it this will be become stories our kids will tell their 
grand children. I am off from work for 2 weeks paid thankfully, but I doubt its going to get be 2 weeks from the way it looks. 

I am just happy to be living in a semi rural area. Those states with densely populated areas I wouldn't come out of my house/apt without gloves and a mask especially if I had underlying
conditions. These kids coming back from Spring break scare me. The governor lacked the balls to shut down the beaches so they created a scary petri dish.

I think in a lot of ways this is going to make a fundamental change to our economy. Good or bad I don't know, but many businesses that closed wont be opening back up. 
And some newer businesses will either explode like Zoom or get exposure they didn't have.

 

Edited March 22, 2020 by fastballspecial

[PetuniaGrimm]

On 3/19/2020 at 12:56 PM, Black_Adam said:

I forgot to add that I am in Canada...

Well, in that case I will quote the great Ted Knight (Judge Smails) from Caddyshack. 
"You'll get nothing and like it"

[namisgr]

12 hours ago, dupont2005 said:

No, you’ve speculated based on numbers that don’t exist. Using numbers that DO exist is how I get to my conclusion

The following numbers do exist.

- No more than 10% of COVID-19 cases are considered severe.

- In the US, testing for the presence of the CoV-2 virus has been restricted almost exclusively to severe cases.

- From these facts, it can be concluded that the mortality rate in test-confirmed cases is much higher than for all cases.  The mortality rate among all cases, while far lower than the rate reported for confirmed cases using highly restrictive testing, remains undetermined owing to the lack of widespread and population sample-based testing.

- This is confirmed by the data from New York state.  NY hasn't been as restrictive about testing, owing to a more aggressive stance in the New Rochelle area and in NYC.  According to this morning's statistics, the state has 12,315 confirmed cases of CoV-2 infection and 76 deaths, for a mortality rate of 0.6% (source: Johns Hopkins COVID resource).

Edited March 22, 2020 by namisgr

[Mr. Zipper]

51 minutes ago, namisgr said:

- This is confirmed by the data from New York state.  NY hasn't been as restrictive about testing, owing to a more aggressive stance in the New Rochelle area and in NYC.  According to this morning's statistics, the state has 12,315 confirmed cases of CoV-2 infection and 76 deaths, for a mortality rate of 0.6% (source: Johns Hopkins COVID resource).

According to DuPont's logic per his previous post, NYS has zero recovered and 76 deaths, so it is a 100% mortality rate.

[tabcom]

 

With two months of data being studied, there is a growing divide between evidence and hysteria. I present this article without any further editorial comment. 

 

https://www.zerohedge.com/health/covid-19-evidence-over-hysteria

 

 

To summarize the lengthy article with dozens of hyperlink source materal . . . 

 

1. viruses accelerate and quickly decline.
2.  contact with someone who tests positive for COVID-19 you have a 1–5% chance of catching it as well.
3. If you were casually exposed to the virus in the workplace (e.g., you were not locked up in conference room for six hours with someone who was infected [like a hospital]), your chance of infection is about 0.5%
4. "Transmission by fine aerosols in the air over long distances is not one of the main causes of spread."
5. “This result is consistent with the fact that the high temperature and high humidity significantly reduce the transmission of influenza. It indicates that the arrival of summer and rainy season in the northern hemisphere can effectively reduce the transmission of the COVID-19.”

6. A World Health Organization report on China concluded that cases of Covid-19 in children were “relatively rare and mild.” Among cases in people under age 19, only 2.5% developed severe disease while 0.2% developed critical disease. Among nearly 6,300 Covid-19 cases reported by the Korea Centers for Disease Control & Prevention on March 8, there were no reported deaths in anyone under 30. Only 0.7% of infections were in children under 9 and 4.6% of cases were in those ages 10 to 19 years old

7. “Every coronavirus patient in China infected on average 2.2 people a day — spelling exponential growth that can only lead to disaster. But then it started dropping, and the number of new daily infections is now close to zero.”
8. The majority of cases see symptoms within a few days, not two weeks as originally believed.
9. On true asymptomatic spread, the data is still unclear but increasingly unlikely. Two studies point to a low infection rate from pre-symptomatic and asymptomatic individuals. 
10. Another way of looking at virality and asymptotic spread is the number of flight attendants, airport staff, or pilots that have tested positive for COVID-19. Out of the thousands of flights since November 2019, only a handful of airport and airline staff have tested positive
11. Global data shows that ~95% of people who are tested aren’t positive.
12. Looking at the whole funnel from top to bottom, ~1% of everyone who is tested for COVID-19 with the US will have a severe case that will require a hospital visit or long-term admission.
13. Globally, 80–85% of all cases are mild. These will not require a hospital visit and home-based treatment/ no treatment is effective.
14. “Reasonable estimates for the case fatality ratio in the general U.S. population vary from 0.05% to 1%.”
15.  According to a study of the fatalities of COVID-19 cases in Italy, 99% of all deaths had an underlying pathology. Only 0.8% had no underlying condition.

[Mr. Zipper]

Excellent. Thanks for sharing.

 

[gcstomp]

tab, not sure this link to article by Ginn regarding virus is what you believe it to be. It point by point is destroyed by Bergstrom, a specialist in field. 

Update (3/22/2020): After falling under much scrutiny, Medium has deleted Ginn's post. Of note, Ginn is a former 2012 digital campaign staffer with no background in medicine or infectious disease.

We are leaving it up for anyone who wants to read, while also including a thread from a biologist who debunked it.

Ginn took great liberties to diminish virus, using misleading methodology or outright wrong pathways, that you then posted 15 bullet points. Ginn is basically a flat earther saying all is well. All is not well.

 

 

Edited March 22, 2020 by gcstomp

[wilbil]

1 hour ago, tabcom said:

without any further editorial comment. 

but you did....

1 hour ago, tabcom said:

To summarize the lengthy article with dozens of hyperlink source materal . . . 

 

i will help a little. the article is a so loaded with media bias virus that it is important to stay a minimum of 6 feet away from it and wash your hands after touching the article it is published in.

 i am glad that somebody made the call to delete the article, per the note at the top of the link.