Health advice re: packages & COVID-19 5 5

[lizards2]

So far, I've licked every one of the 100s of packages that have come through from my outrageous purchasing regimen, and I'm as nermal as ever!!!   

[topofthetotem]

On 5/18/2020 at 12:13 AM, lizards2 said:

So far, I've licked every one of the 100s of packages that have come through from my outrageous purchasing regimen, and I'm as nermal as ever!!!   

Did you lick my package? 

[lizards2]

On 5/25/2020 at 6:44 PM, topofthetotem said:

On 5/17/2020 at 10:13 PM, lizards2 said:

So far, I've licked every one of the 100s of packages that have come through from my outrageous purchasing regimen, and I'm as nermal as ever!!!   

Did you lick my package? 

[topofthetotem]

21 minutes ago, lizards2 said:

[01TheDude]

for @G.A.tor to brighten an otherwise tough day in Gatorland

Edited June 19, 2020 by 01TheDude

[DavidTheDavid]

Yeah, I lasted maybe a week of being kinda cautious, but now I just go at them like a toddler after candy.

[lizards2]

2 hours ago, DavidTheDavid said:

Yeah, I lasted maybe a week of being kinda cautious, but now I just go at them like a toddler after candy.

I've heard that doorknob licking has opened back up as well. 

[01TheDude]

[01TheDude]

https://rt.live/

[01TheDude]

I'm sharing this well written piece.  I actually read the whole thing!  Makes perfect sense to me.  

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Chicken pox is a virus. Lots of people have had it, and probably don't think about it much once the initial illness has passed. But it stays in your body and lives there forever, and maybe when you're older, you have debilitatingly painful outbreaks of shingles. You don't just get over this virus in a few weeks, never to have another health effect. We know this because it's been around for years, and has been studied medically for years.
 Herpes is also a virus. And once someone has it, it stays in your body and lives there forever, and anytime they get a little run down or stressed-out they're going to have an outbreak. Maybe every time you have a big event coming up (school pictures, job interview, big date) you're going to get a cold sore. For the rest of your life. You don't just get over it in a few weeks. We know this because it's been around for years, and been studied medically for years.
 HIV is a virus. It attacks the immune system, and makes the carrier far more vulnerable to other illnesses. It has a list of symptoms and negative health impacts that goes on and on. It was decades before viable treatments were developed that allowed people to live with a reasonable quality of life. Once you have it, it lives in your body forever and there is no cure. Over time, that takes a toll on the body, putting people living with HIV at greater risk for health conditions such as cardiovascular disease, kidney disease, diabetes, bone disease, liver disease, cognitive disorders, and some types of cancer. We know this because it has been around for years, and had been studied medically for years.
 Now with COVID-19, we have a novel virus that spreads rapidly and easily. The full spectrum of symptoms and health effects is only just beginning to be cataloged, much less understood.
 So far the symptoms may include:
 Fever
 Fatigue
 Coughing
 Pneumonia
 Chills/Trembling
 Severe headaches 
 Acute respiratory distress
 Lung damage (potentially permanent)
 Loss of taste and smell (a neurological symptom)
 Sore throat
 Difficulty breathing
 Cardiac arrhythmias (an irregular heart beat)
 Mental confusion
 Diarrhea
 Nausea or vomiting
 Loss of appetite
 Strokes have also been reported in some people who have COVID-19 (even in the relatively young)
 Swollen eyes
 Blood clots
 Seizures
 Liver damage
 Kidney damage
 Rash
 COVID toes (weird, right?)
 People testing positive for COVID-19 have been documented to be sick even after 60 days. Many people are sick for weeks, get better, and then experience a rapid and sudden flare up and get sick all over again. A man in Seattle was hospitalized for 62 days, and while well enough to be released, still has a long road of recovery ahead of him. Not to mention a $1.1 million medical bill.
 Then there is MIS-C. Multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children is a condition where different body parts can become inflamed, including the heart, lungs, kidneys, brain, skin, eyes, or gastrointestinal organs. Children with MIS-C may have a fever and various symptoms, including abdominal pain, vomiting, diarrhea, neck pain, rash, bloodshot eyes, or feeling extra tired. While rare, it has caused deaths.
 This disease has not been around for years. It has basically been 6 months. No one knows yet the long-term health effects, or how it may present itself years down the road for people who have been exposed. We literally *do not know* what we do not know.
 To those in our society who suggest that people being cautious are cowards, to people who refuse to take even the simplest of precautions to protect themselves and those around them, I want to ask, without hyperbole and in all sincerity:
 HOW DARE YOU?
 How dare you risk the lives of others so cavalierly. How dare you decide for others that they should welcome exposure as "getting it over with", when literally no one knows who will be the lucky "mild symptoms" case, and who may fall ill and die. Because while we know that some people are more susceptible to suffering a more serious case, we also know that 20 and 30 year olds have died, marathon runners and fitness nuts have died, children and infants have died.
 How dare you behave as though you know more than medical experts, when those same experts acknowledge that there is so much we don't yet know, but with what we DO know, are smart enough to be scared of how easily this is spread, and recommend baseline precautions such as:
 Frequent hand-washing
 Physical distancing
 Reduced social/public contact or interaction
 Mask wearing
 Covering your cough or sneeze
 Avoiding touching your face
 Sanitizing frequently touched surfaces
 The more things we can all do to mitigate our risk of exposure, the better off we all are, in my opinion. Not only does it flatten the curve and allow health care providers to maintain levels of service that aren't immediately and catastrophically overwhelmed; it also reduces unnecessary suffering and deaths, and buys time for the scientific community to study the virus in order to come to a more full understanding of the breadth of its impacts in both the short and long term.
 I reject the notion that it's "just a virus" and we'll all get it eventually. What a careless, lazy, heartless stance. 
 Protect yourself, protect your family and friends, be a good person and protects those you don’t know. We all have a right to feel safe. Put on a mask and stay at least 6 ft away! 

 Please copy and paste to share.

[lizards2]

On 7/12/2020 at 11:01 PM, 01TheDude said:

I'm sharing this well written piece.  I actually read the whole thing!  Makes perfect sense to me.  

Quote

Chicken pox is a virus. Lots of people have had it, and probably don't think about it much once the initial illness has passed. But it stays in your body and lives there forever, and maybe when you're older, you have debilitatingly painful outbreaks of shingles. You don't just get over this virus in a few weeks, never to have another health effect. We know this because it's been around for years, and has been studied medically for years.
 Herpes is also a virus. And once someone has it, it stays in your body and lives there forever, and anytime they get a little run down or stressed-out they're going to have an outbreak. Maybe every time you have a big event coming up (school pictures, job interview, big date) you're going to get a cold sore. For the rest of your life. You don't just get over it in a few weeks. We know this because it's been around for years, and been studied medically for years.
 HIV is a virus. It attacks the immune system, and makes the carrier far more vulnerable to other illnesses. It has a list of symptoms and negative health impacts that goes on and on. It was decades before viable treatments were developed that allowed people to live with a reasonable quality of life. Once you have it, it lives in your body forever and there is no cure. Over time, that takes a toll on the body, putting people living with HIV at greater risk for health conditions such as cardiovascular disease, kidney disease, diabetes, bone disease, liver disease, cognitive disorders, and some types of cancer. We know this because it has been around for years, and had been studied medically for years.
 Now with COVID-19, we have a novel virus that spreads rapidly and easily. The full spectrum of symptoms and health effects is only just beginning to be cataloged, much less understood.
 So far the symptoms may include:
 Fever
 Fatigue
 Coughing
 Pneumonia
 Chills/Trembling
 Severe headaches 
 Acute respiratory distress
 Lung damage (potentially permanent)
 Loss of taste and smell (a neurological symptom)
 Sore throat
 Difficulty breathing
 Cardiac arrhythmias (an irregular heart beat)
 Mental confusion
 Diarrhea
 Nausea or vomiting
 Loss of appetite
 Strokes have also been reported in some people who have COVID-19 (even in the relatively young)
 Swollen eyes
 Blood clots
 Seizures
 Liver damage
 Kidney damage
 Rash
 COVID toes (weird, right?)
 People testing positive for COVID-19 have been documented to be sick even after 60 days. Many people are sick for weeks, get better, and then experience a rapid and sudden flare up and get sick all over again. A man in Seattle was hospitalized for 62 days, and while well enough to be released, still has a long road of recovery ahead of him. Not to mention a $1.1 million medical bill.
 Then there is MIS-C. Multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children is a condition where different body parts can become inflamed, including the heart, lungs, kidneys, brain, skin, eyes, or gastrointestinal organs. Children with MIS-C may have a fever and various symptoms, including abdominal pain, vomiting, diarrhea, neck pain, rash, bloodshot eyes, or feeling extra tired. While rare, it has caused deaths.
 This disease has not been around for years. It has basically been 6 months. No one knows yet the long-term health effects, or how it may present itself years down the road for people who have been exposed. We literally *do not know* what we do not know.
 To those in our society who suggest that people being cautious are cowards, to people who refuse to take even the simplest of precautions to protect themselves and those around them, I want to ask, without hyperbole and in all sincerity:
 HOW DARE YOU?
 How dare you risk the lives of others so cavalierly. How dare you decide for others that they should welcome exposure as "getting it over with", when literally no one knows who will be the lucky "mild symptoms" case, and who may fall ill and die. Because while we know that some people are more susceptible to suffering a more serious case, we also know that 20 and 30 year olds have died, marathon runners and fitness nuts have died, children and infants have died.
 How dare you behave as though you know more than medical experts, when those same experts acknowledge that there is so much we don't yet know, but with what we DO know, are smart enough to be scared of how easily this is spread, and recommend baseline precautions such as:
 Frequent hand-washing
 Physical distancing
 Reduced social/public contact or interaction
 Mask wearing
 Covering your cough or sneeze
 Avoiding touching your face
 Sanitizing frequently touched surfaces
 The more things we can all do to mitigate our risk of exposure, the better off we all are, in my opinion. Not only does it flatten the curve and allow health care providers to maintain levels of service that aren't immediately and catastrophically overwhelmed; it also reduces unnecessary suffering and deaths, and buys time for the scientific community to study the virus in order to come to a more full understanding of the breadth of its impacts in both the short and long term.
 I reject the notion that it's "just a virus" and we'll all get it eventually. What a careless, lazy, heartless stance. 
 Protect yourself, protect your family and friends, be a good person and protects those you don’t know. We all have a right to feel safe. Put on a mask and stay at least 6 ft away! 

 Please copy and paste to share.

the think I've learned is that nobody actually knows a fing thing about covid-19, as all the theories contradict each other - wear a mask / don't wear a mask, etc.  - all those symptoms are symptoms of life.

Life is a garden - dig it. Or hide in your closet.

[MusterMark]

On 7/16/2020 at 6:47 PM, lizards2 said:

the think I've learned is that nobody actually knows a fing thing about covid-19, as all the theories contradict each other - wear a mask / don't wear a mask, etc.  - all those symptoms are symptoms of life.

Life is a garden - dig it. Or hide in your closet.

That’s a convenient excuse for some who don’t wish to follow the guidelines.  It is not true.

Those who truly and actively look at the guidelines and the evidence behind them know which of the ideas have strong evidence and logic behind them and which don’t.

Some don’t care to do so because they are either lazy or so entrenched in their own ideas of what should be and should not be, that they couldn’t care less about evidence or logic.

And a society not based on utilizing ideas backed by evidence and logic is an apathetic and dangerous society, imo.

[lizards2]

6 hours ago, MusterMark said:

On 7/16/2020 at 6:47 PM, lizards2 said:

the think I've learned is that nobody actually knows a fing thing about covid-19, as all the theories contradict each other - wear a mask / don't wear a mask, etc.  - all those symptoms are symptoms of life.

Life is a garden - dig it. Or hide in your closet.

That’s a convenient excuse for some who don’t wish to follow the guidelines.  It is not true.

Those who truly and actively look at the guidelines and the evidence behind them know which of the ideas have strong evidence and logic behind them and which don’t.

Some don’t care to do so because they are either lazy or so entrenched in their own ideas of what should be and should not be, that they couldn’t care less about evidence or logic.

And a society not based on utilizing ideas backed by evidence and logic is an apathetic and dangerous society, imo.

I follow the guidelines, even though I don't believe in them.

[01TheDude]

[01TheDude]

[bobotski]

On 7/17/2020 at 11:33 PM, MusterMark said:

That’s a convenient excuse for some who don’t wish to follow the guidelines.  It is not true.

Those who truly and actively look at the guidelines and the evidence behind them know which of the ideas have strong evidence and logic behind them and which don’t.

Some don’t care to do so because they are either lazy or so entrenched in their own ideas of what should be and should not be, that they couldn’t care less about evidence or logic.

And a society not based on utilizing ideas backed by evidence and logic is an apathetic and dangerous society, imo.

This pandemic brings out the genius in everyone. Scientific proof or not, people will still believe in what they want, even find a reason to believe in the unproven to support their ideals. Its sad but logic, reasoning and evidence has flown out the window.

[MusterMark]

6 hours ago, bobotski said:

On 7/17/2020 at 11:33 PM, MusterMark said:

That’s a convenient excuse for some who don’t wish to follow the guidelines.  It is not true.

Those who truly and actively look at the guidelines and the evidence behind them know which of the ideas have strong evidence and logic behind them and which don’t.

Some don’t care to do so because they are either lazy or so entrenched in their own ideas of what should be and should not be, that they couldn’t care less about evidence or logic.

And a society not based on utilizing ideas backed by evidence and logic is an apathetic and dangerous society, imo.

This pandemic brings out the genius in everyone. Scientific proof or not, people will still believe in what they want, even find a reason to believe in the unproven to support their ideals. Its sad but logic, reasoning and evidence has flown out the window

Yes, it is very sad indeed ....

[Math Teacher]

On 7/18/2020 at 10:35 PM, 01TheDude said:

Do you notice how the crewman in the red top is not wearing a mask? How long after this still will he die?

[wilbil]

17 hours ago, Joe Ankenbauer said:

Do you notice how the crewman in the red top is not wearing a mask? How long after this still will he die?

well, he is holding the ray gun......

[Math Teacher]

5 hours ago, wilbil said:

well, he is holding the ray gun......

@01TheDude, if you're not a Star Trek fan, you may not know this. On the Original Series, crewmen wearing a red top died on a regular basis.