NoMan Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 https://www.ebay.com/itm/STEVE-DITKO-SIGNED-LETTER-JSA-SPIDERMAN-CREATOR-ORIGINAL-ARTIST/333581950020?hash=item4dab089c44:g:bsMAAOSwNeFeoPA7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aardvark88 Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 Think I read JSA sig authentification is working with Voldy comic grading too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoMan Posted May 1, 2020 Author Share Posted May 1, 2020 i guess it does up the value and what else is it about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kav Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 (edited) Luckily women do not subscribe to the Ditko philosophy "If I go to bed with one person, I have to go to bed with everyone, therefore I go to bed with no one" Edited May 1, 2020 by kav 1950's war comics and newshane 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James J Johnson Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 https://www.laweekly.com/how-self-appointed-experts-sullied-the-billion-dollar-autograph-industry/ 1950's war comics and kav 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoMan Posted May 1, 2020 Author Share Posted May 1, 2020 27 minutes ago, kav said: Luckily women do not subscribe to the Ditko philosophy "If I go to bed with one person, I have to go to bed with everyone, therefore I go to bed with no one" Actually if she just talked to me endlessly about Ayn Rand I'd be ok. kav 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoMan Posted May 1, 2020 Author Share Posted May 1, 2020 14 minutes ago, James J Johnson said: https://www.laweekly.com/how-self-appointed-experts-sullied-the-billion-dollar-autograph-industry/ thanks for the link! Gonna read it now. Often wondered about the hows and whys of this end of the hobby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazyboy Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 46 minutes ago, kav said: Luckily women do not subscribe to the Ditko philosophy "If I go to bed with one person, I have to go to bed with everyone, therefore I go to bed with no one" Some people only subscribe to the first two-thirds of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romanheart Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 The letter of authenticity is not important at all. The integrity of the dealer is more important. JSA is a recognized source for authenticity for signed items but they also make mistakes, as does CGC. So the best way to buy signed collectibles that you did not witness is to buy from dealers with a good reputation. You might be able to ask a recognized dealer who is an expert in a particular autograph for their opinion on a particular item. You can also verify the signature against other known pieces yourself to see how close they are. There are a lot of other caveats but basically this is how I would start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kav Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 A skilled surgeon also makes mistakes but not as many as a drug addled third world surgeon who graduated at bottom of class. 1950's war comics 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoMan Posted May 1, 2020 Author Share Posted May 1, 2020 (edited) 30 minutes ago, kav said: A skilled surgeon also makes mistakes but not as many as a drug addled third world surgeon who graduated at bottom of class. I'm missing your point, kav. Edited May 1, 2020 by NoMan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kav Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 9 minutes ago, NoMan said: I'm missing your point, kav. Sheer volume of 'errors' has to be considered. You cant just say X makes errors too when confronted with huge volume of Y errors. 1950's war comics and god503 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kav Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 Also the quality of the errors. If surgeon A used wrong sutures and surgeon B removed leg when it was supposed to be kidney- aardvark88 and 1950's war comics 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valiantman Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 1 minute ago, kav said: 11 minutes ago, NoMan said: I'm missing your point, kav. Sheer volume of 'errors' has to be considered. You cant just say X makes errors too when confronted with huge volume of Y errors. I think you mean error rate, not volume. If X does a thousand things with a 1% error rate, their volume of errors is 100. If Y does a million things with a 0.1% error rate, their volume of errors is 1,000. Y is ten times better at their job than X, even though the Y volume is ten times worse. kav 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post James J Johnson Posted May 1, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 1, 2020 (edited) 58 minutes ago, romanheart said: The letter of authenticity is not important at all. The integrity of the dealer is more important. JSA is a recognized source for authenticity for signed items but they also make mistakes, as does CGC. As a long time comic hobbyist and autograph hound, believe me, there's no close comparison CGC is light years superior to JSA and PSA when it comes to making less mistakes. The first card PSA ever slabbed #0000001, the T-206 Wagner was admittedly trimmed by the one who did it. The very first card, and the most famous card of all time, by a company that like CGC, was supposed to grade and weed out altered cards to elicit confidence in the emerging company and hobby. Right now, there's a huge scandal in cards and autographed slabbed material, the work of about 20 card mechanics and a dozen or so forgers, all of their wares slabbed by PSA and Beckett. And I don't mean "mechanics" as in pressing. I'm talking about trimming, filling corners, trimming than re-cutting a card on the original machinery it was produced on to give it the scalloped edge, like 1952-1957 Topps cards and early O-P-Chee. I'm talking about bleaching also! And yes, one of the mechanics actually bought the original machinery that Topps (O-Pee-Chee) cut the cards with. So he can put nice new factory edges on them, smaller none-the-less. There was an installment on a monthly blog titled "Hauls of Shame" that detailed JSA's 100 worst mistakes. It's no longer there. Somebody must have paid a lot of $$$$ to get it expunged. It detailed 100 instances of not just differing opinions among authenticators, but 100 instances with before and after photos of pieces that later grew more autographs! Or an engraving! Visual evidence using before and after photos of that and items signed that were manufactured years after the signor departed! So no. I would disagree that any errors that CGC has under their belt pales in comparison to the quite literally billions of dollars of errors that PSA and JSA have thumbs-upped over the past 20 years You guys have no idea what has and what still goes on in the slabbed card market and the sports memorabilia marketplace. No idea. . Edited May 1, 2020 by James J Johnson The Lions Den, aardvark88, Asianassassincomics and 4 others 5 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveinthecity Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 (edited) 19 minutes ago, kav said: Also the quality of the errors. If surgeon A used wrong sutures and surgeon B removed leg when it was supposed to be kidney- In your example here, which(if either) of these surgeons was "drug addled"? Edited May 1, 2020 by steveinthecity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kav Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 4 minutes ago, steveinthecity said: In your example here, which(if either) of these surgeons was "drug addled"? Yes. steveinthecity, 1950's war comics and James J Johnson 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James J Johnson Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 53 minutes ago, kav said: Yes. kav and 1950's war comics 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lighthouse Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 (edited) I have a signed letter from Jim Valentino when he bought a BB 54 from me 20 years ago, and a personal check for $4.50 shipping which he forgot to add to his money order (which I never cashed). But alas, I have no LETTER OF AUTHENTICITY to go with it. Edited May 1, 2020 by lighthouse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romanheart Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 So you hit one of the caveats. Your example is with cards. Another type of autograph collectible with its own peculiarities. Modern signatures are often signed poorly also, with the only way to verify is to trust the seller who is known to have a good track record. Those signatures are usually verified in person. The Ditko sig is clear as day. A good auction house that verifies these items should know if it is genuine. JSA/PSA certification was never a motivator for me to buy autographs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
