valiantman Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 On 10/23/2020 at 10:17 AM, Frankielo said: Just picked up a ASM 300 9.6 cgc on ebay,it was graded in 2008. Any insight as to weather the grading critiria was less strict or more back then? Was it graded in early 2008 or late 2008? By the end of 2008, the grading standards changed so drastically 2009 doesn't look anything like 2007. Hollywood1892 and astrometric 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Hollywood1892 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 43 minutes ago, valiantman said: Was it graded in early 2008 or late 2008? By the end of 2008, the grading standards changed so drastically 2009 doesn't look anything like 2007. Wowsa Link to post Share on other sites
Frankielo Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 Graded on 8/18/2008 I have the pics on PGM (wrong forum I’m told) and being told it doesn’t even look like a 9.6 so seems the grading was more liberal then. that’s why it’s tough to buy a book on eBay, can’t say there’s any wrongdoing by the seller but boy I’d like to return it. I just don’t think that’d be the right thing.I’ll just re-holder and live with it. fast eddie 1 Link to post Share on other sites
www.alexgross.com Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 14 hours ago, Frankielo said: Graded on 8/18/2008 I have the pics on PGM (wrong forum I’m told) and being told it doesn’t even look like a 9.6 so seems the grading was more liberal then. that’s why it’s tough to buy a book on eBay, can’t say there’s any wrongdoing by the seller but boy I’d like to return it. I just don’t think that’d be the right thing.I’ll just re-holder and live with it. nothing wrong with a 9.6 frankie! even if it appears slightly overgraded, you will have no trouble selling it when you choose to do so. tons of buyers just buy the label, not the book. especially on feebay. BigLeagueCHEW 1 Link to post Share on other sites
BigLeagueCHEW Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 Signature Series 9.8 just sold at $7,500 overnight. Link ADAMANTIUM 1 Link to post Share on other sites
blowout Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 I don't know if its been mentioned in this thread already, as I am new to it, but I have a question on the newstand editions. I have been reading that there is a big market this year in particular for newstand editions over direct editions on Copper books. Is that across the board, or on some books in particular? Also, anyone have the numbers on how many newstand editions exist vs. the direct ones? Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post valiantman Posted October 27, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 27, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, blowout said: I don't know if its been mentioned in this thread already, as I am new to it, but I have a question on the newstand editions. I have been reading that there is a big market this year in particular for newstand editions over direct editions on Copper books. Is that across the board, or on some books in particular? Also, anyone have the numbers on how many newstand editions exist vs. the direct ones? Controversial, of course, when there is any shift in the market that doesn't benefit everyone. Those who remember newsstand books as "those beat up copies at the grocery store (or gas station)" are the ones most likely to value high grade newsstands vs. direct editions. Those who have 99% direct editions in their collection are the ones most likely to say "I think barcodes are ugly, so I don't like newsstands". At the end of the day, though, we just don't have much data right now since CGC has not separated newsstands and direct editions in their grading except for cases of different cover prices or different content. ASM #300 being the most submitted book to CGC, though, there have been opportunities to "take notes" through the years, and this is a summary of what "taking notes" has shown us: http://www.slabdata.com/blog/2020/amazing-spider-man-300/ There is no "across the board" application of ratios, though - because newsstand books were often very popular (and protected very well) when the direct editions sold out immediately at comic shops. ASM #252 and ASM #361 are not hard to find in newsstand, even in high grade, because both books sold out quickly at most comic shops, and the newsstand books were scooped up and went to collectors far more often than other newsstand issues of the same title. Edited October 27, 2020 by valiantman GM8, BigLeagueCHEW, Hollywood1892 and 2 others 5 Link to post Share on other sites
Hollywood1892 Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 1 hour ago, valiantman said: Controversial, of course, when there is any shift in the market that doesn't benefit everyone. Those who remember newsstand books as "those beat up copies at the grocery store (or gas station)" are the ones most likely to value high grade newsstands vs. direct editions. Those who have 99% direct editions in their collection are the ones most likely to say "I think barcodes are ugly, so I don't like newsstands". At the end of the day, though, we just don't have much data right now since CGC has not separated newsstands and direct editions in their grading except for cases of different cover prices or different content. ASM #300 being the most submitted book to CGC, though, there have been opportunities to "take notes" through the years, and this is a summary of what "taking notes" has shown us: http://www.slabdata.com/blog/2020/amazing-spider-man-300/ There is no "across the board" application of ratios, though - because newsstand books were often very popular (and protected very well) when the direct editions sold out immediately at comic shops. ASM #252 and ASM #361 are not hard to find in newsstand, even in high grade, because both books sold out quickly at most comic shops, and the newsstand books were scooped up and went to collectors far more often than other newsstand issues of the same title. Anyone with a direct edition that says a newsstand is ugly needs to give their head a shake Lazyboy 1 Link to post Share on other sites
valiantman Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 8 minutes ago, Hollywood1892 said: Anyone with a direct edition that says a newsstand is ugly needs to give their head a shake Tale as old as time... mr_highgrade and Hollywood1892 2 Link to post Share on other sites
jjonahjameson11 Posted October 27, 2020 Author Share Posted October 27, 2020 22 minutes ago, Hollywood1892 said: Anyone with a direct edition that says a newsstand is ugly needs to give their head a shake Newsstand is ugly. There, I said it Lazyboy and Hollywood1892 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Hollywood1892 Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 26 minutes ago, jjonahjameson11 said: Newsstand is ugly. There, I said it It's a stamp on the art of the cover Please Give your head a shake Link to post Share on other sites
jjonahjameson11 Posted October 27, 2020 Author Share Posted October 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Hollywood1892 said: It's a stamp on the art of the cover Please Give your head a shake It’s far more distracting than the Spidey head on the direct version Hollywood1892 1 Link to post Share on other sites
BigLeagueCHEW Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 1 hour ago, jjonahjameson11 said: It’s far more distracting than the Spidey head on the direct version Agree, just like the bad azz Venom on ASM #316 Link to post Share on other sites
BigLeagueCHEW Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 27 copies for 20K? Here Link to post Share on other sites
blowout Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 12 hours ago, valiantman said: Controversial, of course, when there is any shift in the market that doesn't benefit everyone. Those who remember newsstand books as "those beat up copies at the grocery store (or gas station)" are the ones most likely to value high grade newsstands vs. direct editions. Those who have 99% direct editions in their collection are the ones most likely to say "I think barcodes are ugly, so I don't like newsstands". At the end of the day, though, we just don't have much data right now since CGC has not separated newsstands and direct editions in their grading except for cases of different cover prices or different content. ASM #300 being the most submitted book to CGC, though, there have been opportunities to "take notes" through the years, and this is a summary of what "taking notes" has shown us: http://www.slabdata.com/blog/2020/amazing-spider-man-300/ There is no "across the board" application of ratios, though - because newsstand books were often very popular (and protected very well) when the direct editions sold out immediately at comic shops. ASM #252 and ASM #361 are not hard to find in newsstand, even in high grade, because both books sold out quickly at most comic shops, and the newsstand books were scooped up and went to collectors far more often than other newsstand issues of the same title. Thanks for posting this V. Most enlightening👍 Hollywood1892 1 Link to post Share on other sites
jjonahjameson11 Posted October 28, 2020 Author Share Posted October 28, 2020 (edited) 12 hours ago, blowout said: Thanks for posting this V. Most enlightening👍 Given the number of raw newsstands in 9.4 or lower being offered/sold this past month, watch for significant changes in the next 6 months to the direct vs newsstand chart that Valiantman has provided. Edited October 28, 2020 by jjonahjameson11 Link to post Share on other sites
Jesse-Lee Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, jjonahjameson11 said: Given the number of raw newsstands in 9.4 or lower being offered/sold this past month, watch for significant changes in the next 6 months to the direct vs newsstand chart that Valiantman has provided. Sorry if this is a dumb question, but is it possible to get a snapshot of new graded books within a specified date range? Like could you see only all new graded books from Sept. 1, 2020 to date for example? I know they don't differentiate newsstands vs direct, but it'd be interesting to see the amount of new books graded in a given timeframe. Edited October 28, 2020 by Jesse-Lee Link to post Share on other sites
Lazyboy Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 23 hours ago, Hollywood1892 said: Anyone with a direct edition that says a newsstand is ugly needs to give their head a shake Clueless people could just not post incessantly. Incidentally, congrats on having more posts than me. Jeffro. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Lazyboy Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 9 minutes ago, Jesse-Lee said: Sorry if this is a dumb question, but is it possible to get a snapshot of new graded books within a specified date range? Like could you see only all new graded books from Sept. 1, 2020 to date for example? I know they don't differentiate newsstands vs direct, but it'd be interesting to see the amount of new books graded in a given timeframe. Yes. Go to valiantman's site: CGCdata.com Jesse-Lee 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Lazyboy Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 On 10/27/2020 at 3:38 PM, valiantman said: Controversial, of course, when there is any shift in the market that doesn't benefit everyone. Controversial when the cheap hucksters pumping Newsstands are spouting misinformation more efficiently than any fountain. On 10/27/2020 at 3:38 PM, valiantman said: Those who remember newsstand books as "those beat up copies at the grocery store (or gas station)" are the ones most likely to value high grade newsstands vs. direct editions. Don't forget those who believe the ridiculous numbers that are invented by cheap hucksters. Plus, I've seen plenty on Newsstands on the rack that were not beat up, as well as far too many Directs in comic shops that were beat up. On 10/27/2020 at 3:38 PM, valiantman said: Those who have 99% direct editions in their collection are the ones most likely to say "I think barcodes are ugly, so I don't like newsstands". You got that backwards. And I wish the percentage (74% here, despite my preference influencing my purchases) was anywhere near that high. Chaos_in_Canada 1 Link to post Share on other sites
