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Yeah cause Kirby LOVED to sign right on covers....
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1 minute ago, James J Johnson said:

 Precisely. The signature on the poster is at least 2X and probably upwards of 3X the scale of the one signed on the FF 67 if we were to see them overlapped. 

wonder why he signed it so large and in such a weird spot-thoughts?

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8 minutes ago, kav said:

wonder why he signed it so large and in such a weird spot-thoughts?

Using one of the Dynamic Forces "Kirby" signatures as his exemplar/model, the forger didn't consider what was typical and untypical placement for Kirby. Remember, the Dynamic Forces X-Men 1 books bear the signature typically over art elements without an evidence that care was exercised not to obscure artistic elements of the covers, just like the poster. That, in itself, is not typical of Kirby, and his respect for not defacing his art, even with his signature, is why he almost exclusively signed the artless splash page margin on comics instead of covers. 

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1 minute ago, James J Johnson said:

Using one of the Dynamic Forces "Kirby" signatures as his exemplar/model, the forger didn't consider what was typical and untypical placement for Kirby. Remember, the Dynamic Forces X-Men 1 books bear the signature typically over art elements without an evidence that care was exercised not to obscure artistic elements of the covers, just like the poster. That, in itself, is not typical of Kirby, and his respect for not defacing his art, even with his signature, he almost exclusively signed the artless splash page margin on comics. 

Kirby didnt sign the DF books?

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Kirby didnt sign the DF books?

In my opinion, he didn't. Just a few years before, the typical tremors; the shaky lines in his signature was becoming more evident, and then with Dynamic Forces, suddenly, the tremors were gone. The leaning, stringy, linear character of his track, low and long ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////   suddenly became more vertical and condensed IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII. Blockier.  Age typically has the opposite effect on handwriting! 

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1 minute ago, Rhymenoceros said:

Ah, yeah that sounds pretty ginormous then, ha! 

Maybe he figgered bigger sig = bigger $$$
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1 minute ago, James J Johnson said:

Volume pricing! We forge by the mile. You save by the yard. 

"Kirby sigs-$100 per inch!"

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5 hours ago, James J Johnson said:

That, in itself, is not typical of Kirby, and his respect for not defacing his art, even with his signature, is why he almost exclusively signed the artless splash page margin on comics instead of covers. 

That's why I thought something was up.  You'd expect his signature placement to be at the edge of the print in the white margin.

I didn't know that so many of his sigs in his later years were forged, so that was educational.

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At least kirby didn't like defacing his art , unlike Stan who also would sign anything anywhere..  Not that I want the forgeries to get better but with technology I can not believe there are still these guys around being that bad at it... (shrug) I guess as long as some sucker's willing to spend money on it , another insufficiently_thoughtful_person will happily make them..  ( Made this for another thread where we were specifically talking about Stans Faked Signatures .) cgc2.thumb.jpg.3dc242989b4ea30c5d8440a8333eda88.jpgcgc3(1).jpg.7f7e84e7bec5e0b82231cb5f49221a29.jpg

Guess it's time for a Kirby one as well. Maybe a thesaurus   .hm

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5 hours ago, Ken Aldred said:

That's why I thought something was up.  You'd expect his signature placement to be at the edge of the print in the white margin.

I didn't know that so many of his sigs in his later years were forged, so that was educational.

Not forged as much as secretarial (Roz). Back in the day a Kirby signature was valued and prized, but nowhere near the vicinity of monetary value as today, and why so many forgeries abound on ebay. Back in the 70s-90s, comic forgeries were almost non-existent. There was no reason to; no dollar incentive. The forgers concentrated on Sports autos and other areas; where the money was.. The market for comic creator signatures skyrocketed after CGC introduced the signature series, much like the market upswing for comics soon after CGC's emergence. 

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1 hour ago, James J Johnson said:

Not forged as much as secretarial (Roz). Back in the day a Kirby signature was valued and prized, but nowhere near the vicinity of monetary value as today, and why so many forgeries abound on ebay. Back in the 70s-90s, comic forgeries were almost non-existent. There was no reason to; no dollar incentive. The forgers concentrated on Sports autos and other areas; where the money was.. The market for comic creator signatures skyrocketed after CGC introduced the signature series, much like the market upswing for comics soon after CGC's emergence. 

I also wonder under what conditions the DF signing occurred (like did they use some sort of inhouse window-pane-ing for where Jack could sign?) so maybe he didnt have an option of where to sign? 

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