Wolvie1 Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 (edited) Hello all I have this CGC graded (restored) 6.0 FF5. Here are the graders notes: Restoration includes: small amount of color touch on cover. (ALL 3 EDGES TRIMMED) Color touch (Non-archival material small areas) Spine C-1 Full Bottom Whole Book TRIMMED Full Left Back Cover Large Crease Full Right Whole Book TRIMMED Full Top Whole Book TRIMMED Left Top Back Cover Multiple Crease Spine Lite Stress Lines What do the experts think about sending it in for pressing and regrading? I'm pretty sure there's no max label for trimmed books. Is there something that's holding it back from a higher apparent (8.0-9.0 ish) restored grade? I know that everyone says this but it looks much better to me. Thanks! P.S. Great forums you guys have here, so much useful information. Edited July 15, 2020 by Wolvie1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighVoltage Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 First of all - you have a really nice FF 5 there! Great color, centering, and very clean. As for the chance to upgrade on a pressing? It is possible, but I think it depends upon the severity/deepness and number of creases described in the notes. If the creases are light-ish and can indeed be pressed out/down, then I believe you could bump up. It doesn't appear the creases are color-breaking from your scan... but it's hard to tell without the book in hand. I have an FF #1 in 6.0 with similar grader notes. The creases are deep enough that I don't believe it's worth a press/re-sub on my part to try for a grade bump. Based on your scan - I would say it's 50/50 on a grade bump - and perhaps you could jump a full point or a bit more. Based on your grader notes - I'd say more like a 15/20% chance of a bump - and I'm thinking of a 0.5 to maybe 1.0 grade bump. Just my 2-cents! Again - very nice copy! I've never heard of a max grade for a trimmed book - but perhaps other boardies with more knowledge can chime in. Wolvie1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolvie1 Posted July 15, 2020 Author Share Posted July 15, 2020 Thanks for your reply! The pressing thing I kind of just added in while writing, I've had this book for a few years, and every time I look at it I'm like "damn, how is this only a 6.0? Did they under grade it or what". So I've got that re-grading itch.. Based on the pictures and notes, would you agree with that grade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lions Den Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 (edited) I'd like to say that this book does have a nice look to it. A 6.0 does seem a bit harsh since the front cover looks so nice. Whatever you decide, good luck... Edited July 15, 2020 by The Lions Den Wolvie1 and Deadpoolica 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpoolica Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 I doubt it'd come back lower than a 6.0 so, can't hurt to try The Lions Den and Wolvie1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCOComics Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 The front cover really looks great. Those creases on the back cover don't look like they'll come out in a press too me. I could be wrong. I think if you press and resubmit, you won't do worse than a 6.0. I wouldn't be shocked to see it bump up a bit. Great looking book! Congrats! The Lions Den and Wolvie1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theCapraAegagrus Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 I would give it a 6.5 at best because of the trimming. It obviously presents much, much nicer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldrover Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 I had an FF1 with similar issues, also a 6.0R. I got it pressed, regraded... 6.0 again. The creases, I believe, will be your downfall. JMHO. Wolvie1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolvie1 Posted July 16, 2020 Author Share Posted July 16, 2020 23 hours ago, HighAF said: Is the fake grade of a "trimmed on 3 edges" comic really that important? If so, crack it out of tbe slab and you never have to see the grade again. Problem solved. Yes, the apparent grade of it is important to me. I personally am completely OK with restored books. KCOComics 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolvie1 Posted July 16, 2020 Author Share Posted July 16, 2020 8 hours ago, theCapraAegagrus said: I would give it a 6.5 at best because of the trimming. It obviously presents much, much nicer. I'm pretty sure that the trimming will not affect the apparent grade, so if it look like a 9.0, it should get a 9.0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolvie1 Posted July 16, 2020 Author Share Posted July 16, 2020 1 hour ago, oldrover said: I had an FF1 with similar issues, also a 6.0R. I got it pressed, regraded... 6.0 again. The creases, I believe, will be your downfall. JMHO. Interesting. Do back cover creases usually downgrade a book so much though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldrover Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 48 minutes ago, Wolvie1 said: Interesting. Do back cover creases usually downgrade a book so much though? Yes. I had an AF 15 (R), gorgeous cover, almost imperceptible crease across 1/2 the back page. 6.0. Wolvie1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William-James88 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 4 hours ago, Wolvie1 said: Interesting. Do back cover creases usually downgrade a book so much though? Yes 100%, a crease is a crease no matter where. And CGC has a knack for being more conservative when grading restoration (from what I have been told) I will answer your question with this one: Would you be ok with losing 250$? Because due to your tier, thats how much you'd pay when all is said and done and probably still be stuck with a 6.0. What I wonder is why you didn't accept that offer for 2800. A near 300% return is pretty sweet. Wolvie1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theCapraAegagrus Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 14 hours ago, Wolvie1 said: I'm pretty sure that the trimming will not affect the apparent grade, so if it look like a 9.0, it should get a 9.0. It's apparently trimmed, though, on all 3 edges. I don't think they'll overlook that. I could be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolvie1 Posted July 17, 2020 Author Share Posted July 17, 2020 22 hours ago, oldrover said: Yes. I had an AF 15 (R), gorgeous cover, almost imperceptible crease across 1/2 the back page. 6.0. Wow, lucky for you as the buyer though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolvie1 Posted July 17, 2020 Author Share Posted July 17, 2020 18 hours ago, William-James88 said: Yes 100%, a crease is a crease no matter where. And CGC has a knack for being more conservative when grading restoration (from what I have been told) I will answer your question with this one: Would you be ok with losing 250$? Because due to your tier, thats how much you'd pay when all is said and done and probably still be stuck with a 6.0. Yeah that's on my mind as well. That's basically why I'm here, I think that they messed up on the grade, comparing to other 6.0's, but I'm here to see if there's something that I'm missing, which could be the creasing. 18 hours ago, William-James88 said: What I wonder is why you didn't accept that offer for 2800. A near 300% return is pretty sweet. Definitely, but it was the first book I bought when I started recollecting and though part of the reason I collect is for investing, I'm not just in it for the money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolvie1 Posted July 17, 2020 Author Share Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, theCapraAegagrus said: It's apparently trimmed, though, on all 3 edges. I don't think they'll overlook that. I could be wrong. I've seen 9.0+'s with trimming, so I'm pretty sure it's not factored in. But I could be wrong too. Maybe it's the whole book trimming part though? I wonder if anyone else has experience with this? Edited July 17, 2020 by Wolvie1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William-James88 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Wolvie1 said: Yeah that's on my mind as well. That's basically why I'm here, I think that they messed up on the grade, comparing to other 6.0's, but I'm here to see if there's something that I'm missing, which could be the creasing. Definitely, but it was the first book I bought when I started recollecting and though part of the reason I collect is for investing, I'm not just in it for the money Super cool to hear! So you just want your book presented the best way possible, I get that. Well look, the crease will be removed with a press so if that's what is holding the book back, it could be worth a shot. And you dont have to do it all at once. You could send it for a press and keep that beautiful book raw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldrover Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 2 hours ago, Wolvie1 said: Wow, lucky for you as the buyer though I bought it unslabbed in 2002, knowing it was restored. I slabbed it. And I sold it last year... for about 6 times what I paid for it. I credit three factors: 1. Restored books in 2002 were selling cheap. 2. I held it for about 20 years. That helps. 3. Movies. Wolvie1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolvie1 Posted July 21, 2020 Author Share Posted July 21, 2020 On 7/17/2020 at 1:48 PM, BeepBeep said: Are you saying they messed up because you know how to grade and you subjectively disagree? Or are you saying they messed up solely by comparing this book to other 6.0s online? Because I don't think comparing this book to other 6.0s online is a valid way to reach a grade, especially if there were no back cover scans. Yes, I have a reasonable understanding of grading. In my opinion, I think that they either undergraded it (in which case I would resubmit it), or there is some hidden criteria that I am unaware of affecting its grade (i.e. a maximum grade for trimmed books). That is why I am here, to get the opinion of those more experienced then I am My comparisons are mostly from my own similarly graded CGC books, and my OK but not professional ability to grade raws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
