Popular Post Red_Hood Posted July 15, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 15, 2020 In 17 years of submitting books. I've never seen the needle swing so much to the harsh grading. Books I would submit in the past 10 years that were slam dunk 9.8's with ease are now coming back slammed with zero notes and these are perfect. I've been doing this long enough to know the quality of what it takes to be 9.8 and there is no consistency anymore. I should clarify though, when I say books are being slammed... I'm getting 9.6 and 9.4 when I damn well know these are 9.8's Long story... short.... if I'm sending thousands of books a year to get that grader who is on a rampage then it's time to stop submitting thousands of books to you. It doesn't make any business sense to allow you to under grade. I want my 1000% profit margins back on these junky-arse modern books. Yes, I'm complaining because there is absolutely no consistency. Artboy99, AGGIEZ, thegiftedone45 and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post THE_BEYONDER Posted July 15, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 15, 2020 Sounds like a good time to hold off on submissions, and start buying up newly graded 9.4/9.6s.... comicquant, justafan, Ken Aldred and 5 others 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_Hood Posted July 15, 2020 Author Share Posted July 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, THE_BEYONDER said: Sounds like a good time to hold off on submissions, and start buying up newly graded 9.4/9.6s.... Exactly my thoughts.... a smart buyer would take the CGC serial numbers on a listing and if it was graded in 2020 and is a 9.4 to 9.6 there's a good chance it'll get a 9.8 later. I've resubmitted a few of them and they got 9.8 with nothing else done to them. It's just too time consuming with so many projects on the go to crack and resubmit everything. There's not enough time in a day. Tedsaid and Gator Guru 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post THE_BEYONDER Posted July 15, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, Red_Hood said: Exactly my thoughts.... a smart buyer would take the CGC serial numbers on a listing and if it was graded in 2020 and is a 9.4 to 9.6 there's a good chance it'll get a 9.8 later. I've resubmitted a few of them and they got 9.8 with nothing else done to them. It's just too time consuming with so many projects on the go to crack and resubmit everything. There's not enough time in a day. From a collector standpoint, I like the idea of finding strong 9.4s again. lizards2, littledoom, jimjum12 and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Number 6 Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 Quick question: are you noticing this on just Copper/Modern books or is this across the board all Ages? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_Hood Posted July 15, 2020 Author Share Posted July 15, 2020 35 minutes ago, Number 6 said: Quick question: are you noticing this on just Copper/Modern books or is this across the board all Ages? I'm seeing the increase of harsher grading on the Copper and Modern books mainly. I have a few theories on this agenda from an economics standpoint but nothing that can be sustantiated but it would make sense from a grading company's standpoint to do so. I have so many 9.8's sitting in my inventory that don't even come close to being as nice as the 9.4 and 9.6's I've recently received. Where I used to get 20-22 books graded 9.8 in a 25 book submisson I'm now seeing maybe 2 to 4 books out of 25 getting 9.8 on the 1st submission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L.E. Gill Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 Have to say I like the idea of the 9.8s for sale being beautiful specimens in grade because I have definitely seen some questionable 9.8s for sale. Would you say this is primarily on 'modern' moderns or primarily on comics from the 80s or 90s? This is the second time in the last few weeks I've heard someone mentioning a particularly harsh grader. I was really happy with my first submission to CGC and was about to put in another (all for my personal collection) but now I am hesitating. I guess a pre-screen would work but I really felt as though I wouldn't need to waste the time and presumably the extra handling involved on a pre-screen on books I was 100% confident about. Sorry you've been having a bad experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_Hood Posted July 16, 2020 Author Share Posted July 16, 2020 14 minutes ago, L.E. Gill said: Have to say I like the idea of the 9.8s for sale being beautiful specimens in grade because I have definitely seen some questionable 9.8s for sale. Would you say this is primarily on 'modern' moderns or primarily on comics from the 80s or 90s? This is the second time in the last few weeks I've heard someone mentioning a particularly harsh grader. I was really happy with my first submission to CGC and was about to put in another (all for my personal collection) but now I am hesitating. I guess a pre-screen would work but I really felt as though I wouldn't need to waste the time and presumably the extra handling involved on a pre-screen on books I was 100% confident about. Sorry you've been having a bad experience. I just highlighted your last sentence because it has been almost all of 2020 and it has been from material that is from the 80's and up. I'm frustrated because I'm leaving my fate in the hands of people that have less experience grading then I do and there seems to be one grading cowboy trying to make a name for himself at the company and it's getting annoying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D84 Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 What happened to 3 graders looking at each book? Or was that always a load of 🤬? Tedsaid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_Hood Posted July 16, 2020 Author Share Posted July 16, 2020 27 minutes ago, D84 said: What happened to 3 graders looking at each book? Or was that always a load of 🤬? In my opinion, that's the latter. With the volumes they grew too much. They would have to have abandoned that concept long ago to keep up. With growth, comes expansion, then comes new hiring of people with less experience and less passion which gives way to poorer standards which leads to terrible consistency as the skill set becomes diluted. Tedsaid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mercury Man Posted July 16, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 16, 2020 Ho hum. I blame CGC. They should never have come up with the nonsense 9. point 'whatevers'. Should have been 10.0, 9.5. and 9.0. Bookery, Larryw7, comicquant and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herc2000 Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 You could try sending them through another vendor, I hear some submitters get better grades than others Red_Hood and thegiftedone45 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L.E. Gill Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 I always thought or wondered if more than one grader assesses each book seems impractical from a volume standpoint and would only happen in instances when a grader wanted a second opinion or if they were thinking 9.9 or 10. The sheer volume of moderns in particular must be daunting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comicdonna Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 9 minutes ago, L.E. Gill said: I always thought or wondered if more than one grader assesses each book seems impractical from a volume standpoint and would only happen in instances when a grader wanted a second opinion or if they were thinking 9.9 or 10. The sheer volume of moderns in particular must be daunting. It used to be a guarantee that at least 3 graders examine each book. This is the policy now. Our Grading CGC employs a team of more than 20 professional graders. Multiple experts examine each collectible and assign a grade according to a well-established and internationally accepted standard. Larryw7, The Lions Den and Tedsaid 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L.E. Gill Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 Thanks, that makes a lot more sense. I feel like I have read that before but then read references to three here on the boards as well. It only makeses sense that a high value GA would potentially garner more time authenticating and grading than a just published modern. If one person is checking say, for any reprinting info on the indicia and such and doing a page count then another grader is looking at the actual grade would be much more efficient. comicdonna 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mephisto Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 I laugh at the comments I see on Facebook regarding CGC graded Magic cards and people’s complaints of the current top grading companies inconsistent periods of looser and harsher grading...I sit there and think you don’t think this is going to happen with CGC graded Magic. I’ve been on these boards for 17 years and I’ve seen many threads on the boards about periods of loose and harsh grading periods for comics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theCapraAegagrus Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 On another forum, they're claiming that CGC is "loose as a goose" right now. jason4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1Cool Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 Thanks for the post. I'm sitting on about 200 books I'd like to get graded but I keep hearing they are even tighter then they have been for ages (especially with copper / modern 9.8s). I usually do a big submission around Christmas which usually come back pretty good so I'll do that again this year. 1950's war comics and Red_Hood 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Lions Den Posted July 16, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 16, 2020 58 minutes ago, L.E. Gill said: Thanks, that makes a lot more sense. I feel like I have read that before but then read references to three here on the boards as well. It only makeses sense that a high value GA would potentially garner more time authenticating and grading than a just published modern. If one person is checking say, for any reprinting info on the indicia and such and doing a page count then another grader is looking at the actual grade would be much more efficient. As a matter of fact, it's been set up that way since the early days of CGC. The pre-grader is responsible for making sure all the information about the book is correctly entered into the system; that way when the label is printed out all the correct info will appear on the label. They also count the pages, check for any loose or missing parts, look for resto and grade the book to the best of their ability. If they find resto, they will almost always consult with another grader or restoration expert to make sure the resto information is entered correctly. Once the books are pre-graded, they go back into their box until the finalizer for that particular tier can finalize them. This interval can be short or long depending upon various factors (walkthroughs will almost always be finalized the same day, for example). The finalizer is also responsible for double checking the information and all the other details relating to the book. If the finalizer's grade is substantially different than the pre-grader's, the finalizer will usually pass the book to another finalizer to confirm their grade. With modern books, the same system applies, but they often move through the system quicker because there are less defects and restoration isn't as common, not to mention all of the other problems that can be associated with vintage books. And please bear in mind that the "three grader" system was established back in the days when the company wasn't processing the same amount of books they are now, and books were often seen by more than three graders. I hope this helps in some small way... theCapraAegagrus, KCOComics, Keys_Collector and 10 others 8 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...