Crops068 Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 So having a "debate" with a buddy over what will end up being considered Virus' 1st appearance. The issue is that Venom 25 is a cameo, between 25 and 26 was supposed to be Free Comic Book Day, but that was changed to Free Comic Book Summer. 26 released on July 15t that has now been deemed the 1st appearance but the FCBD issue, released July 22nd, being out this week and since the issue was likely already printed the indica shows a May release. FCBD Indica Page Venom 26 Indica Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpoolica Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Crops068 said: 26 released on July 15t that has now been deemed the 1st appearance That's your winner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crops068 Posted July 25, 2020 Author Share Posted July 25, 2020 2 hours ago, Deadpoolica said: That's your winner That is my opinion too, my concern is the indica of the FCBD being May where Venom 26 is Sept. My understanding is CGC uses indica pretty heavily so this might turn into another ASM 252 vs MTU 141 vs SSM 90 situation. All thanks to the book being intended for release so long ago but not done until now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterPark Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 It's Venom 26. It doesn't matter it wasn't supposed to be out first. It was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williamblood Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 25 greg horn variant is also a good bet if your specing on virus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IbukiLord Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 Whichever one was available to the public first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crops068 Posted July 25, 2020 Author Share Posted July 25, 2020 3 hours ago, williamblood said: 25 greg horn variant is also a good bet if your specing on virus That is the 1st cover appearance. No refuting that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crops068 Posted July 25, 2020 Author Share Posted July 25, 2020 46 minutes ago, IbukiLord said: Whichever one was available to the public first. If that is true then ASM 252 would be the sole 1st appearance of Black Suit Spider-Man. It was in stores at least a week before MTU 141 (late January compared to early/mid Feb of 1984). But it is still highly debated and CGC still uses the indica for its labels that states "Ties with Marvel Team-Up 141, for 1st black costume." So the concern is that because the indica on the FCBD Spider-man and Venom that no matter the fact it came out a week after it will still be labeled incorrectly and fought over that it is the "true" 1st appearance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kairos70 Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 2 hours ago, Crops068 said: indica The term is "indicia" not indica. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juno Beach Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 So Uncanny X-Men Annual #14 is the first Gambit, right? GeeksAreMyPeeps 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazyboy Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 10 hours ago, Crops068 said: If that is true then ASM 252 would be the sole 1st appearance of Black Suit Spider-Man. It is. CGC (and anybody else) being stupid and wrong doesn't change reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazyboy Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Juno Beach said: So Uncanny X-Men Annual #14 is the first Gambit, right? Yes, though he doesn't do anything. Juno Beach 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazyboy Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 21 hours ago, Crops068 said: Thoughts? This is an unusual situation for multiple reasons. The release delays due to the pandemic are obvious, but FCBD comics are also dated very differently than normal issues that were released at the same time (disregarding the fact that FCBD comics aren't available on the regular weekly release day). Ultimately, the only thing that matters is the timing of the releases. ADAMANTIUM 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crops068 Posted July 26, 2020 Author Share Posted July 26, 2020 19 hours ago, kairos70 said: The term is "indicia" not indica. So I missed a letter, 🤷♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crops068 Posted July 26, 2020 Author Share Posted July 26, 2020 10 hours ago, Lazyboy said: This is an unusual situation for multiple reasons. The release delays due to the pandemic are obvious, but FCBD comics are also dated very differently than normal issues that were released at the same time (disregarding the fact that FCBD comics aren't available on the regular weekly release day). Ultimately, the only thing that matters is the timing of the releases. I agree it is an unusual situation. 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Crops068 Posted July 26, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted July 26, 2020 Verification from CGC debate squashed yay! ADAMANTIUM, maidenmate91, Deadpoolica and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pboned Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 Good to know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterPark Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 I mean, all that really means is that CGC got it right. There isn't an option when another issue comes out first. The market, in all likelihood, would have determined the earlier appearance to be the first, regardless of intention, and CGC would be left playing catch-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crops068 Posted August 6, 2020 Author Share Posted August 6, 2020 IbukiLord and ADAMANTIUM 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADAMANTIUM Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, Crops068 said: Sounds good, and glad you kept track of it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...