kav Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 I can do this all day long with my eyes closed behind my back!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCOComics Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 Where is this book being sold? What exactly is the scam? Someone popped out a 9.8 and placed a raw 7.0 in the slab and carefully resealable it? If it's a photoshop, what good does that do? I hope I don't come off as snarky, I'm really trying to figure this out. jason4 and kav 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onlyweaknesskryptonite Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 It could be a Dylan 9.8.. but let's consult the grading room. Hey is this a 9.8? Looks good to me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catman76 Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 Nope that's a 9.6875 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keys_Collector Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 9 hours ago, KCOComics said: Where is this book being sold? What exactly is the scam? Someone popped out a 9.8 and placed a raw 7.0 in the slab and carefully resealable it? If it's a photoshop, what good does that do? I hope I don't come off as snarky, I'm really trying to figure this out. It was sold at a recent Heritage auction and another poster commented that it didn't look like a 9.8. I don't think it was altered or anything like that but a grader(s) mistake. CGC is not perfect and there are plenty of grading mistakes floating around out there. I don't know how many times we have to say this but buy the book and not the grade. There are many examples of lower grade books presenting better than technical higher grades. Morganmi and Ken Aldred 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCOComics Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, Keys_Collector said: It was sold at a recent Heritage auction and another poster commented that it didn't look like a 9.8. I don't think it was altered or anything like that but a grader(s) mistake. CGC is not perfect and there are plenty of grading mistakes floating around out there. I don't know how many times we have to say this but buy the book and not the grade. There are many examples of lower grade books presenting better than technical higher grades. Yikes... did it get 9.8 value at auction? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keys_Collector Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 21 minutes ago, KCOComics said: Yikes... did it get 9.8 value at auction? Sold for $228 which is slightly under FMV. This is minor to other higher grades floating out there for other more valuable books. KCOComics 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Aldred Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Keys_Collector said: don't know how many times we have to say this but buy the book and not the grade. There are many examples of lower grade books presenting better than technical higher grades. I concur. Other than poor grading, if this copy reached 9.8 because its interior is flawless and the pages the most supple and bone white of any comic in the history of comics publishing, I’d still go for a lower grade, better-presenting copy with superior eye appeal. Edited August 17, 2020 by Ken Aldred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90sChild Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 Perhaps the color rub on the left spine and chipping/light creasing on the right edge was considered a manufacturing flaw and thus ignored by CGC? CGC is very vague about what is and is not manufacturing flaws, and I've sent plenty of dog-ear corner tears where those are ignored as well because it is considered manufacturing bindery tear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE_BEYONDER Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 36 minutes ago, 90sChild said: Perhaps the color rub on the left spine and chipping/light creasing on the right edge was considered a manufacturing flaw and thus ignored by CGC? CGC is very vague about what is and is not manufacturing flaws, and I've sent plenty of dog-ear corner tears where those are ignored as well because it is considered manufacturing bindery tear. C’mon Nothing about that right edge looks production related. BlowUpTheMoon and Juno Beach 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
namisgr Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 (edited) I agree with those who believe the image was photoshopped. It's extremely bright/overexposed, and could easily have had a scan of the label of a 9.8 copy stuck onto the scan of the comic in the lower part of the holder, which appears to be around a 7.0. The overexposure is used to cover up the seam where the two different images have been put together. I suppose the book could have been swapped in to replace a 9.8 copy, but the new CGC holders are extremely tough for doing that, if not impossible. CGC may make plenty of mistakes and questionable judgement calls, but not like this. Edited August 17, 2020 by namisgr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keys_Collector Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 33 minutes ago, namisgr said: I agree with those who believe the image was photoshopped. It's extremely bright/overexposed, and could easily have had a scan of the label of a 9.8 copy stuck onto the scan of the comic in the lower part of the holder, which appears to be around a 7.0. The overexposure is used to cover up the seam where the two different images have been put together. I suppose the book could have been swapped in to replace a 9.8 copy, but the new CGC holders are extremely tough for doing that, if not impossible. CGC may make plenty of mistakes and questionable judgement calls, but not like this. So you are saying that Heritage photoshopped the image and put another comic in? That sounds like a conspiracy theory: https://comics.ha.com/itm/modern-age-1980-present-/wolverine-4-marvel-1982-cgc-nm-mt-98-white-pages/a/122033-15526.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515 I'm surprised people are shocked by this. There's been a lot of examples over the years of CGC over or undergrading books. I can't say why it happens on such a severe case at times but it does happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
namisgr Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 (edited) I didn't know we were being shown a Heritage scan. No, I'm not saying that it's the nefarious work of Heritage. Knowing that now, I'd venture the mistake WAS at CGC's end, switching two labels intended for the same issue. I know for a fact that happens from time to time, having had submissions with labels having been switched between two different issues of the same title. I don't believe a book with that much obvious wear would ever receive a 9.8 grade from the company. The comic is literally 7 to 8 grading units below a 9.8. Edited August 17, 2020 by namisgr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90sChild Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 1 hour ago, THE_BEYONDER said: C’mon Nothing about that right edge looks production related. I'm not saying that it does either, but that is the graders call. They can't even clearly define to us consumers what is considered production error. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlowUpTheMoon Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 1 hour ago, namisgr said: I agree with those who believe the image was photoshopped. 54 minutes ago, namisgr said: I'd venture the mistake WAS at CGC's end Pick a lane! manetteska 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazyboy Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 22 hours ago, Ceito said: I'm asking because the in the image, it's got certain aspects of the book that don't look like it. There have been other of these that have been graded the same, and are of better quality. https://www.cgccomics.com/certlookup/1971585010/ Larryw7 and BlowUpTheMoon 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollywood1892 Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 16 hours ago, kav said: Found another 9.8 candidate They grade differently by age kav 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crops068 Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 2 hours ago, Keys_Collector said: 3 hours ago, namisgr said: I agree with those who believe the image was photoshopped. It's extremely bright/overexposed, and could easily have had a scan of the label of a 9.8 copy stuck onto the scan of the comic in the lower part of the holder, which appears to be around a 7.0. The overexposure is used to cover up the seam where the two different images have been put together. I suppose the book could have been swapped in to replace a 9.8 copy, but the new CGC holders are extremely tough for doing that, if not impossible. CGC may make plenty of mistakes and questionable judgement calls, but not like this. So you are saying that Heritage photoshopped the image and put another comic in? That sounds like a conspiracy theory: https://comics.ha.com/itm/modern-age-1980-present-/wolverine-4-marvel-1982-cgc-nm-mt-98-white-pages/a/122033-15526.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515 I'm surprised people are shocked by this. There's been a lot of examples over the years of CGC over or undergrading books. I can't say why it happens on such a severe case at times but it does happen. While I agree that people make mistakes, that is a pretty large mistake. But hey, it is absolutely possible. I do not believe that Heritage had any hand in it other than just being the seller that sold it. Where they are just putting an item up and letting it go for what it goes for. Thanks for providing the info @Keys_Collector, i really just thought it was either a photoshopped image or something trying to pull a fast one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
namisgr Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 12 minutes ago, Lazyboy said: https://www.cgccomics.com/certlookup/1971585010/ Perhaps the screwup has been solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kav Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 7 minutes ago, Hollywood1892 said: They grade differently by age So------------9.9? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
