Deadpoolica Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 This is gonna be a good one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-KComics Posted August 20, 2020 Author Share Posted August 20, 2020 18 minutes ago, JollyComics said: Your book was signed. Who signed? Joe Giella Randall Ries, Larryw7 and JollyComics 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jharvey Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 There are actually grader notes on the website: Notes:signature(s) verified by BASspine tears & stress breaks colorcorner creases right front cover breaks color & barely breaks color10" vertical crease left back cover part barely breaks color near bottomlight creases bottom back cover edge does not break color Randall Dowling and The Lions Den 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpoolica Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 Definitely looks better than a 6.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-KComics Posted August 20, 2020 Author Share Posted August 20, 2020 Just now, Deadpoolica said: Definitely looks better than a 6.0 It is.. Maybe a regrade is in order? CGC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpoolica Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 1 minute ago, jharvey said: 10" vertical crease left back cover part barely breaks color near bottom That right there is what knocked it down imo Timely, J-KComics, Randall Dowling and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-KComics Posted August 20, 2020 Author Share Posted August 20, 2020 1 minute ago, jharvey said: There are actually grader notes on the website: Notes:signature(s) verified by BASspine tears & stress breaks colorcorner creases right front cover breaks color & barely breaks color10" vertical crease left back cover part barely breaks color near bottomlight creases bottom back cover edge does not break color Yes I read them.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpoolica Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 Just now, J-KComics said: Maybe a regrade is in order? Nah, you'll lose the yellow label. Not worth it imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-KComics Posted August 20, 2020 Author Share Posted August 20, 2020 Here is the CGC Grade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-KComics Posted August 20, 2020 Author Share Posted August 20, 2020 Just now, Deadpoolica said: Nah, you'll lose the yellow label. Not worth it imo True Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jharvey Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 23 minutes ago, J-KComics said: Yes I read them.. It's possible that when CGC graded the book, the 10" crease on the back cover wasn't there. It could have been caused by the guy signing the comic. J-KComics and JollyComics 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William-James88 Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, J-KComics said: Here is the CGC Grade Do you have the CGC grader notes? Also, I'm puzzled as to why someone would press a comic befire it is further handked for a signing. Shouldnt the book be pressed after? Edited August 20, 2020 by William-James88 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JollyComics Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 43 minutes ago, jharvey said: It's possible that when CGC graded the book, the 10" crease on the back cover wasn't there. It could have been caused by the guy signing the comic. I thought same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjpb Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 Every book has a grade range that reasonable and knowledgable people would consider "accurate". Sometimes there is more of consensus on grade, sometimes there's a 3 grade range where opinions get fairly evenly distributed, and those opinions can shift with the individual as well. You could send it back to CGC and end up with a 7.0 again, or a 6.5 or a 6.0. I will say a 10" crease, even on the back cover that doesn't break color, is usually going to warrant a grade less than 7.0 with most people, and I wouldn't count on getting such a grade from either CGC or CBCS on a resubmit. Randall Dowling and The Lions Den 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattn792 Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 1 hour ago, J-KComics said: Joe Giella You can see the crease in the back cover. Good chance it would also press out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollywood1892 Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 I think I would have kept it in the CGC slab myself....but that is just me It's a nice book Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JollyComics Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, rjpb said: Every book has a grade range that reasonable and knowledgable people would consider "accurate". Sometimes there is more of consensus on grade, sometimes there's a 3 grade range where opinions get fairly evenly distributed, and those opinions can shift with the individual as well. You could send it back to CGC and end up with a 7.0 again, or a 6.5 or a 6.0. I will say a 10" crease, even on the back cover that doesn't break color, is usually going to warrant a grade less than 7.0 with most people, and I wouldn't count on getting such a grade from either CGC or CBCS on a resubmit. It happened to me once, I bought Amazing Spider-man #11 CGC 7.0 - 1st generation label. First inspection before cracking the case, the book looked fine. After cracking the case, the water stain was found inside the cover. I could not see it on the black ink on the cover so after Stan Lee signed my book. I decided to use on-site grading and I knew the grade went down to about 5.5 or 6.0 next day but I got 6.5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Dowling Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 (edited) I don't understand what all the uproar is about. If I bought this book in a CGC case and it had a 7.0 on it, I'd sell it as soon as possible. It very much looks like a 6.0 to me. No more, no less. It looks to me like the OP assumed that the other company would grade no stricter than CGC and they were wrong. Sure it's possible that it was damaged while being signed but I don't think that's very common. It also may have been damaged being pressed (those staples look like they're now on the edge of popping). The whole range from 4.0 to 7.0 is kind of a mess from CGC (and the other company as well). I've seen a CGC 7.0 that looked super ugly and was less desirable than another copy that was graded a 4.0 by the other company (guess which one I purchased). To the OP- I think you should stop buying and selling based on the number and start buying the book inside instead. And when you play the CPR game, you get what you get. Edited August 21, 2020 by Randall Dowling word omission The Lions Den and Asianassassincomics 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William-James88 Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Randall Dowling said: I've seen a CGC 7.0 that looked super ugly and was less desirable than another copy that was graded a 4.0 by the other company (guess which one I purchased). The 7.0? Also, damage during signing in terms of creasing is very common. We get a bunch of complaints on these boards about it. It's not necessarily the moment it was signed but the extra handling of the comic, especially when the book is not in a window bag to begin with. In this case, there was a whole bunch of operations done between it being in a CGC holder and a CBCS holder. The case was cracked, the comic was cleaned, and then signed. We have no clue how it was handled between those times and the method under which it was signed (window box or not). Loads of opportunity for a crease to occur. Edited August 21, 2020 by William-James88 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazyboy Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 (edited) On 8/20/2020 at 2:39 PM, shadroch said: CVA is done by a different company at an additional fee, while the other is a courtesy from the grading company. Exact same thing, no? And one of them has properly examined the entire book, while the other just looked at the cover through multiple layers of plastic. Edited August 23, 2020 by Lazyboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
