Is Dylan Still Trying to Scam People with Restored Books? 6 6

[thehumantorch]

1 hour ago, dylanthekid said:

I don't trust anybody

Including yourself....

[kav]

1 minute ago, thehumantorch said:

Including yourself....

[THE_BEYONDER]

4 hours ago, dylanthekid said:

There's a lot of questions, and misinformation so I'm gonna correct it. I see this thread is still active, so what me worry...#13 is my favorite

1. CGC has really bad QC problems, yet we keep choosing to send books to them. fool me once shame on me, fool me 2x.....

2. If these books were raw, it is the responsibility of the seller to note any major problems (ie resto), that would change the desirability of the book and be of major problem to the buyer

3. The books were sent to CGC for their opinion of the books. This entire thing is on them, not me. I've had books that have come back both half a point higher and lower than they should have IMO. It's not my job to tell CGC hey this should actually be .5 lower according to Dylan's sense of grading. CGC doesn't care what I think. I've put notes on books specifying problems and grades with books and they have ignored them completely. Nobody wants a lower grade then they are given. Anybody who says they will is lying. Let's say I got a 9.8, that I thought was a 9.6, that's great for me. If I sent a 6.0, and got a 9.8, I would think something was up and probably roast the hell out of CGC, and make them buy it for full 9.8 value especially considering they way they poorly have treated me. Why do you think people want Onsite Grading? They are hoping to get half a point higher and get it quick, plain and simple. Everyone wants higher grades. That's not unethical. If people didn't want the absolute highest grade possible than why would they get books pressed? 

4. Thinking on it I absolutely no doubt should have posted something in the description clarifying what the labels said. I think it would have made little to no difference, considering must people don't read the description anyway. I almost never to never put notes in the description on a slabbed book at auction. I treated these books like every other CGC book. 

5. The books did have resto removal so I did not think the color touch was additive. There's a difference between marker that adds to the grade and marker that does not add to the grade. We see this on Golden Books more than any other type It's a very advanced argument, in terms of understanding the nature of resto removal, so if you are not well adversed in this topic, please just ignore this #5. 

6. the books were not trimmed. CGC got it wrong. You can't say CGC knows better than me but then be upset that I let their label dictate over my opinion. I send them stuff because their opinion is $ worth more than mine in the mind of collectors. It's my opinion, or it's their opinion. There's no middle ground. You can use a service like CVA or note appeal but not technical measurable flaws, grade/resto status etc. There are guys on eBay who will sell a CGC book and will say LOOKS 8.0. I think those guys are not trustworthy. It's an 8.0, or it's not an 8.0. If you want to say it looks 8.0, you need to back it up with lots of evidence.

Claims not backed by evidence are garbage-I don't care whether you drive a Mercedes or a shopping cart. 

7. If I truly thought the books were error labels, do you think I would be stupid enough to put them up under MY name?

8. Why wouldn't I sell them to a dealer? (Because they'd say Dylan, this has color touch etc.), which proves that any knowledgeable person would understand that CGC thought they had those things wrong with them, the same can be said about consignment. 

9. Someone who can't read should not be spending thousands of dollars on a comic book. I know it's not what the collector community wants to hear but it's the truth. The same can be said about grading comic books or understanding how much money gets you want. If you have tons of money that's great, you can spend as much as you want. But personally, I wouldn't spend my money on things I don't understand.

10. It's not fine print or at least the intent is not for me to hide what cgc said about the books on the labels. They created the labels, not me, I am just the middleman.

11. I did cancel all sales as soon as I was told about the "error." Of course I wasn't happy about it. It's bad cashflow for me. 

12. that asm 7 was UPI relisted. After the whole boards "dylan is evil" thing, do you honestly think I would have relisted it on MY account? Not only is there no motive, but there's a clear motive not to do it.

11. You can knit pick books that some have been overgraded and some really have not but most just can't tell the difference. If most people knew how to grade accurately, there wouldn't be a need for CGC. Most of the market are blind buyers. If I say it's a 6, it's your job to say what you think the book is. If you can't make your own opinions what are you doing on planet earth? you're enslaved to others.

12. overgrading/undergrading has little to no correlation with price achieved at auction. It's the trust, need filled, and overally experience that the buyer has with the seller. classic example is mycomicshop. They undergrade a lot but it's not priced like the grade that is being sold if the seller wants it to move quick. Gary Dolgoff uses a similar strategy. Wide selection. inaccurate grading. great customer service. 

13. To prove #12, I did a case study a few months ago, and would slip 4 comic books in every auction. 2 vastly overgraded, and 2 vastly undergraded into the auction to see the correlation of grade & price. The results were that on a rare occasion the buyer would return the overgraded book, and would be thrilled with the undergraded. But nobody said anything on 95% plus of those case study books. The market corrects itself at auction. When the book had a ridiculous grade in either direction, people were forced to come up with their own conclusion. If a book was close to the actual grade, and had standard eye appeal people were more likely to pay based on the grade written vs their own opinions. I would get a few messages every month saying both my grading was spot on and that it was horrible and everything was a "FR" which I thought was hilarious because the opinions were so different. 

14. I got tired of a few buyers returning stuff every week so I decided to start grading more like Comics4less and Blissard. They have built great selling accounts and I plan on continuing to do the same. Since my new very very tight grading system I have received ZERO negative or neutral feedbacks only positive. 

15. I could sell everything without grades and still get OK mediocre numbers. It's not so much the grading. It's the customer's expectation VS what they received plain and simple. People are happy with what they buy from me. The experience is top notch. Nobody on the entire CGC boards has bought anything from me and posted it on the threads, with a negative experience. So in other words, you are all afraid of something you have never tried. I didn't like trying new foods either...when I was 5. We grow as individuals by being experienced to new things. 

16. Just so there is no debate, I posted a few books from one week of auctions on the WDYT the grade is area of the threads. the verdict was that my grading was on par. Considering boardies are tighter than ebay and normal collector's I would say it's undergraded to the average customer. People teased me about the Giggle 3, but those books speak for themselves. Check sold listings, go ahead.

Side note about the Giggle 3. At first glance to me the book looked 8.0, no major problems. It has spine ticks but that's about it. It also had foxing not mold. foxing and mold are not the same thing. foxing is before it becomes mold and they are graded very differently. this looked similar to an ASM 129 that I sold a few years back CGC 8.0. Customer returned the book, and I looked at it again and decided that is was NOT an 8.0. Mistakes happen. Grading a book correctly takes a lot of time, with this much material I had to go fast. I decided it was lower, so I lowered the grade. CGC does this also, they just don't tell you. Good for me for fixing it and learning from it. nuff said

 

 

[Dylan.]

2 hours ago, mattn792 said:

That's way too simplistic of an argument.  On the obvious face, they're different issues.  Second, the price difference was $17 between the two sales ($34 and $51).  Not exactly breaking the bank for Golden Age material.

Going beyond the obvious -- what was each buyer's motivation?  Is one book scarcer or harder to find than the other?  Did the guy who bought 37 think it was undergraded?  Etc.

If you want to make the argument that overgrading doesn't change anything in terms of price achieved, you need to run a much more strict trial.  Use three copies of an in demand book that are in approximately the same condition, list them all at the same time, with one each overgraded/undergraded/accurate.  Then see what happens.

even undergrading or not grading the price of Spider-Man #1 varies week to week. price and grade at auction for raw material has little to no correlation

[Dylan.]

2 hours ago, blazingbob said:

If you were standing in front of me I would ask you wtf are you talking about.

What does higher prices have to do with selling "2 vastly overgraded" (your own words) to buyer(s) that you are consciously admitting to doing on a public forum and in writing.

 

 

so hypothetically if I sell a book for $12, that's worth $10, as a 6.0, when it's a 1.0 as part of my case study and you sell the same book as a 1.0 for $24 on your site, I'm the bad guy?

[Dylan.]

2 hours ago, Domo Arigato said:

So.....if the top one was likely a 7.0 and the bottom one was still a 6.5.......then that means the 7.0 still sold for less than the 6.5 and your example of proof goes right into the krapper.

Way to prove your point, Deinstein. 

 

no that's exactly my point. 7.0 $34. 6.5 $51. Last time I checked people pay more for HIGHER grade comics. otherwise Bob Storms would have made his website LOW GRADE COMICS.com 

stated graded whether 8.0 or 7.0 or 6.5 had nothing to do with the price. you are paying a fair price for the book offered with scans

[thehumantorch]

2 minutes ago, dylanthekid said:

so hypothetically if I sell a book for $12, that's worth $10, as a 6.0, when it's a 1.0 as part of my case study and you sell the same book as a 1.0 for $24 on your site, I'm the bad guy?

Why are you fixated on Bob?  Why are you trying to steer the conversation away from your disclosures?  Why are you bringing up hypotheticals?  Why don't you deal with your admission of deliberately over-grading books for sale, hint lying to customers, as an experiment?  Would you be proud to show your customers the posts and admissions you've made in this thread?

[speedcake]

6 minutes ago, dylanthekid said:

so hypothetically if I sell a book for $12, that's worth $10, as a 6.0, when it's a 1.0 as part of my case study and you sell the same book as a 1.0 for $24 on your site, I'm the bad guy?

Yes.  If your book is deceptively described, you are 100% the bad guy.  

This isn't a challenging concept for any normal person to grasp. 

[Dylan.]

Just now, thehumantorch said:

Why are you fixated on Bob?  Why are you trying to steer the conversation away from your disclosures?  Why are you bringing up hypotheticals?  Why don't you deal with your admission of deliberately over-grading books for sale, hint lying to customers, as an experiment?  Would you be proud to show your customers the posts and admissions you've made in this thread?

why don't you answer the question I asked above and stay on topic first?

[Domo Arigato]

1 minute ago, dylanthekid said:

no that's exactly my point. 7.0 $34. 6.5 $51. Last time I checked people pay more for HIGHER grade comics. otherwise Bob Storms would have made his website LOW GRADE COMICS.com 

stated graded whether 8.0 or 7.0 or 6.5 had nothing to do with the price. you are paying a fair price for the book offered with scans

No.....that's exactly my point......which means you don't have a point.

Your 7.0 sold for LESS than your 6.5.

That goes directly against the point you were trying to make.

Keep shooting from the hip, Deinstein. 

[Callaway29]

3 minutes ago, dylanthekid said:

so hypothetically if I sell a book for $12, that's worth $10, as a 6.0, when it's a 1.0 as part of my case study and you sell the same book as a 1.0 for $24 on your site, I'm the bad guy?

How did you get this far? Surprised it took this long for you to crash and burn... You’re literally talking about indisputable unethical practices in the open, as if they aren’t... Keep it up and your fallback plan of dealers buying from you to provide a smokescreen is going to evaporate.

[Dylan.]

1 minute ago, speedcake said:

Yes.  If your book is deceptively described, you are 100% the bad guy.  

This isn't a challenging concept for any normal person to grasp. 

remember when I did this months ago, you had the choice not to buy, and at 700 comics in an auction and 2 comics out of those. hey I'm not racist or any of the isms which is better than most, I did not discriminate! 

[Dylan.]

1 minute ago, Callaway29 said:

How did you get this far? Surprised it took this long for you to crash and burn... You’re literally talking about indisputable unethical practices in the open, as if they aren’t... Keep it up and your fallback plan of dealers buying from you to provide a smokescreen is going to evaporate.

it served a purpose that I made zero financial gain off of. it's like the tooth fairy and the easter bunny. It made the comic book community a better place with educational case study knowledge. I have proven raw grade has little to no correlation to price

[speedcake]

I have no idea what is going on inside this person's head. They are incapable of rational thought, IMO. It stinks they are trying to be such a big part of the collecting community and bringing such toxicity to it. I can only hope they go away eventually and that they don't screw over too many people before they decide to move on to the next scam. 

[Hollywood1892]

Imagine going through life lacking the constitution of being accountable, matter of fact not even believing your wrong....

[Dylan.]

4 minutes ago, Callaway29 said:

How did you get this far? Surprised it took this long for you to crash and burn... You’re literally talking about indisputable unethical practices in the open, as if they aren’t... Keep it up and your fallback plan of dealers buying from you to provide a smokescreen is going to evaporate.

people love to buy with us because we offer great service with great comics at great prices. go ahead, I challenge you right now pick out 1 comic that's overgraded from online right now. I challenge you. 

[DavidTheDavid]

2 minutes ago, dylanthekid said:

it served a purpose that I made zero financial gain off of. it's like the tooth fairy and the easter bunny. It made the comic book community a better place with educational case study knowledge. I have proven raw grade has little to no correlation to price

Proven? Do you have any formal education?

[speedcake]

The very first one in your Silver Age listings is overgraded

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Detective-Comics-268-10c-Batman-Tough-in-Grade-7-0/224160155773?hash=item3430fc887d:g:GcsAAOSwIZ5e~~z5

[MR SigS]

3 hours ago, speedcake said:

The very first one in your Silver Age listings is overgraded

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Detective-Comics-268-10c-Batman-Tough-in-Grade-7-0/224160155773?hash=item3430fc887d:g:GcsAAOSwIZ5e~~z5

The link isn't working. Taken down already?

 

Edit: Never mind- Must have been my phone.

Edited November 13, 2020 by MR SigS
I can see it now.

[onlyweaknesskryptonite]

11 minutes ago, dylanthekid said:

people love to buy with us because we offer great service with great comics at great prices. go ahead, I challenge you right now pick out 1 comic that's overgraded from online right now. I challenge you. 

 

8 minutes ago, speedcake said:

The very first one in your Silver Age listings is overgraded

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Detective-Comics-268-10c-Batman-Tough-in-Grade-7-0/224160155773?hash=item3430fc887d:g:GcsAAOSwIZ5e~~z5