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Is Dylan Still Trying to Scam People with Restored Books?
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19 hours ago, dylanthekid said:

Side note about the Giggle 3. At first glance to me the book looked 8.0, no major problems. It has spine ticks but that's about it. It also had foxing not mold. foxing and mold are not the same thing. foxing is before it becomes mold and they are graded very differently. this looked similar to an ASM 129 that I sold a few years back CGC 8.0. Customer returned the book, and I looked at it again and decided that is was NOT an 8.0. Mistakes happen. Grading a book correctly takes a lot of time, with this much material I had to go fast. I decided it was lower, so I lowered the grade. CGC does this also, they just don't tell you. Good for me for fixing it and learning from it. nuff said

Really? So you're revenue is more important than accurately describing your product offerings to potential customers? 

Wouldn't providing accurate grades and complete descriptions actually help revenue generation as well as your professional reputation?

Speaking of time, within one second of looking at this pic, any boardie could have told you it's not an 8.0, or even an ugly 8.0:

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20 hours ago, dylanthekid said:

There's a lot of questions, and misinformation so I'm gonna correct it. I see this thread is still active, so what me worry...#13 is my favorite

1. CGC has really bad QC problems, yet we keep choosing to send books to them. fool me once shame on me, fool me 2x.....

2. If these books were raw, it is the responsibility of the seller to note any major problems (ie resto), that would change the desirability of the book and be of major problem to the buyer

3. The books were sent to CGC for their opinion of the books. This entire thing is on them, not me. I've had books that have come back both half a point higher and lower than they should have IMO. It's not my job to tell CGC hey this should actually be .5 lower according to Dylan's sense of grading. CGC doesn't care what I think. I've put notes on books specifying problems and grades with books and they have ignored them completely. Nobody wants a lower grade then they are given. Anybody who says they will is lying. Let's say I got a 9.8, that I thought was a 9.6, that's great for me. If I sent a 6.0, and got a 9.8, I would think something was up and probably roast the hell out of CGC, and make them buy it for full 9.8 value especially considering they way they poorly have treated me. Why do you think people want Onsite Grading? They are hoping to get half a point higher and get it quick, plain and simple. Everyone wants higher grades. That's not unethical. If people didn't want the absolute highest grade possible than why would they get books pressed? 

4. Thinking on it I absolutely no doubt should have posted something in the description clarifying what the labels said. I think it would have made little to no difference, considering must people don't read the description anyway. I almost never to never put notes in the description on a slabbed book at auction. I treated these books like every other CGC book. 

5. The books did have resto removal so I did not think the color touch was additive. There's a difference between marker that adds to the grade and marker that does not add to the grade. We see this on Golden Books more than any other type It's a very advanced argument, in terms of understanding the nature of resto removal, so if you are not well adversed in this topic, please just ignore this #5. 

6. the books were not trimmed. CGC got it wrong. You can't say CGC knows better than me but then be upset that I let their label dictate over my opinion. I send them stuff because their opinion is $ worth more than mine in the mind of collectors. It's my opinion, or it's their opinion. There's no middle ground. You can use a service like CVA or note appeal but not technical measurable flaws, grade/resto status etc. There are guys on eBay who will sell a CGC book and will say LOOKS 8.0. I think those guys are not trustworthy. It's an 8.0, or it's not an 8.0. If you want to say it looks 8.0, you need to back it up with lots of evidence.

Claims not backed by evidence are garbage-I don't care whether you drive a Mercedes or a shopping cart. 

7. If I truly thought the books were error labels, do you think I would be stupid enough to put them up under MY name?

8. Why wouldn't I sell them to a dealer? (Because they'd say Dylan, this has color touch etc.), which proves that any knowledgeable person would understand that CGC thought they had those things wrong with them, the same can be said about consignment. 

9. Someone who can't read should not be spending thousands of dollars on a comic book. I know it's not what the collector community wants to hear but it's the truth. The same can be said about grading comic books or understanding how much money gets you want. If you have tons of money that's great, you can spend as much as you want. But personally, I wouldn't spend my money on things I don't understand.

10. It's not fine print or at least the intent is not for me to hide what cgc said about the books on the labels. They created the labels, not me, I am just the middleman.

11. I did cancel all sales as soon as I was told about the "error." Of course I wasn't happy about it. It's bad cashflow for me. 

12. that asm 7 was UPI relisted. After the whole boards "dylan is evil" thing, do you honestly think I would have relisted it on MY account? Not only is there no motive, but there's a clear motive not to do it.

11. You can knit pick books that some have been overgraded and some really have not but most just can't tell the difference. If most people knew how to grade accurately, there wouldn't be a need for CGC. Most of the market are blind buyers. If I say it's a 6, it's your job to say what you think the book is. If you can't make your own opinions what are you doing on planet earth? you're enslaved to others.

12. overgrading/undergrading has little to no correlation with price achieved at auction. It's the trust, need filled, and overally experience that the buyer has with the seller. classic example is mycomicshop. They undergrade a lot but it's not priced like the grade that is being sold if the seller wants it to move quick. Gary Dolgoff uses a similar strategy. Wide selection. inaccurate grading. great customer service. 

13. To prove #12, I did a case study a few months ago, and would slip 4 comic books in every auction. 2 vastly overgraded, and 2 vastly undergraded into the auction to see the correlation of grade & price. The results were that on a rare occasion the buyer would return the overgraded book, and would be thrilled with the undergraded. But nobody said anything on 95% plus of those case study books. The market corrects itself at auction. When the book had a ridiculous grade in either direction, people were forced to come up with their own conclusion. If a book was close to the actual grade, and had standard eye appeal people were more likely to pay based on the grade written vs their own opinions. I would get a few messages every month saying both my grading was spot on and that it was horrible and everything was a "FR" which I thought was hilarious because the opinions were so different. 

14. I got tired of a few buyers returning stuff every week so I decided to start grading more like Comics4less and Blissard. They have built great selling accounts and I plan on continuing to do the same. Since my new very very tight grading system I have received ZERO negative or neutral feedbacks only positive. 

15. I could sell everything without grades and still get OK mediocre numbers. It's not so much the grading. It's the customer's expectation VS what they received plain and simple. People are happy with what they buy from me. The experience is top notch. Nobody on the entire CGC boards has bought anything from me and posted it on the threads, with a negative experience. So in other words, you are all afraid of something you have never tried. I didn't like trying new foods either...when I was 5. We grow as individuals by being experienced to new things. 

16. Just so there is no debate, I posted a few books from one week of auctions on the WDYT the grade is area of the threads. the verdict was that my grading was on par. Considering boardies are tighter than ebay and normal collector's I would say it's undergraded to the average customer. People teased me about the Giggle 3, but those books speak for themselves. Check sold listings, go ahead.

Side note about the Giggle 3. At first glance to me the book looked 8.0, no major problems. It has spine ticks but that's about it. It also had foxing not mold. foxing and mold are not the same thing. foxing is before it becomes mold and they are graded very differently. this looked similar to an ASM 129 that I sold a few years back CGC 8.0. Customer returned the book, and I looked at it again and decided that is was NOT an 8.0. Mistakes happen. Grading a book correctly takes a lot of time, with this much material I had to go fast. I decided it was lower, so I lowered the grade. CGC does this also, they just don't tell you. Good for me for fixing it and learning from it. nuff said

 

Aha ! The Fibonacci numbering scheme :cloud9:

Did you actually read what you typed in point #6 ???

Quote: "There are guys on eBay who will sell a CGC book and will say LOOKS 8.0. I think those guys are not trustworthy. It's an 8.0, or it's not an 8.0. If you want to say it looks 8.0, you need to back it up with lots of evidence."

(the irony of you picking an 8.0 for this example is dripping from this post)

 

So, which tactic will you use?

a. Provide full disclosure, detailed descriptions & accurate grading (a.k.a. "lots of evidence" to "back it up") which as you admitted, takes time. This would likely result in fewer customer service issues (which take time to deal with), extend your brand name and maybe even garner customer loyalty.

b. Provide minimal disclosure, nearly non-existent descriptions & sketchy grading (provide no evidence to "back it up") and focus on posting quantity which takes less time but will likely cause more customer service issues and decline your brand's standing in the marketplace.

 

Good luck & Stay conic!

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20 hours ago, dylanthekid said:

Side note about the Giggle 3. At first glance to me the book looked 8.0, no major problems. It has spine ticks but that's about it. It also had foxing not mold. foxing and mold are not the same thing. foxing is before it becomes mold and they are graded very differently. this looked similar to an ASM 129 that I sold a few years back CGC 8.0. Customer returned the book, and I looked at it again and decided that is was NOT an 8.0. Mistakes happen. Grading a book correctly takes a lot of time, with this much material I had to go fast. I decided it was lower, so I lowered the grade. CGC does this also, they just don't tell you. Good for me for fixing it and learning from it. nuff said

I understand that you're in a hurry, but when grading books it's often a good idea to slow down a bit. When you think about it, you'll actually save yourself time and trouble by getting it right the first time. Another thing I always do is to check the book again right before I package it up; sometimes you'll see something you didn't notice before. If you do find something that changes the grade, you can always notify the buyer and work something out. From what I've experienced, customers really appreciate honesty. I hope this helps, and good luck...

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40 minutes ago, bc said:

Really? So you're revenue is more important than accurately describing your product offerings to potential customers? 

Wouldn't providing accurate grades and complete descriptions actually help revenue generation as well as your professional reputation?

Speaking of time, within one second of looking at this pic, any boardie could have told you it's not an 8.0, or even an ugly 8.0:

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He’s been asked several times to address this book specifically and never does.

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6 minutes ago, DocHoppus182 said:

He’s been asked several times to address this book specifically and never does.

Maybe when he "glanced" at it, this is all he saw:

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That's an 8.0 !

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16 hours ago, dylanthekid said:

I just wanna be treated with respect and that people actually back up their claims with evidence and are willing to hear  "the other side." that's all I want for the cgc boards

The claim is that you can’t grade.  The Giggle 3 has been provided as the evidence, along with the very first book found when your eBay listings were perused.

The claim is that you misled buyers by listing restored CGC books mistakenly encapsulated with blue character labels.  The evidence is the timing of the listings having come after you were made a ware of the issue, and the wording of the listings.

Does that work for you?

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Last week I saw a book on ebay I'd been looking for years. Was very excited until I saw who the seller was. I had recently been burned on 3 books that were vastly overgraded. Even though this one looked to be fairly close to the grade I passed. There are far better sellers to spend my money with. Are you reading this Dylan?

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20 hours ago, thehumantorch said:

 

#14  Aha, you're admitting that you were getting returns because of grading every week and you're trying to grade better.  The first indication that you admit you're grading poorly and trying to improve.  Progress.

 

This is all bananas when you also realize that Dylan is an overstreet advisor. Someone who is still coming to grass with grading properly has no business with overstreet.

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I have really enjoyed these boards and the camaraderie, and the willfull sharing of knowledge by those who have been in this hobby alot longer than I have....but I am really tired of this topic and specifically the insults that people continue to hurl back and forth. I think everyone has made their points clear, but I don't believe this is a useful discussion any longer.  MY 2c.

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