The Lions Den Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 11 hours ago, William-James88 said: I think you are incorrect in your assumptions, especially with the assumption that this book can't be a 9.0 because it doesn't look like what you associate with a 9.0. That's something I hear on these boards all time time and it is flat out wrong. Eye appeal is in no way related to the grade. It's funny you mention this, because it's also something graders talk about. The following is a brief example: First grader hands the book to the grader sitting next to him: "Well, technically, I'm at 9.0. The front cover looks nice, but the back cover...well..." The second grader looks the book over and then states: "I can see the 9.0". The first grader takes the book back, looks at it again, then says: "I don't really like the 9.0." The second grader, getting a little annoyed, responds: "So give it the 8.5." First grader: "8.5 seems kind of tough..." Second grader, now getting noticeably agitated: "So give it the 9.0 and quit bothering me!" First grader: "OK." William-James88 and joeypost 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William-James88 Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 38 minutes ago, The Lions Den said: It's funny you mention this, because it's also something graders talk about. The following is a brief example: First grader hands the book to the grader sitting next to him: "Well, technically, I'm at 9.0. The front cover looks nice, but the back cover...well..." The second grader looks the book over and then states: "I can see the 9.0". The first grader takes the book back, looks at it again, then says: "I don't really like the 9.0." The second grader, getting a little annoyed, responds: "So give it the 8.5." First grader: "8.5 seems kind of tough..." Second grader, now getting noticeably agitated: "So give it the 9.0 and quit bothering me!" First grader: "OK." It works both ways too with eye appeal. I have saddened a few people in he "PGM" forum because their beautiful glossy silver age book had a subscription crease, creating a length wide colour break. The book looks great, but it is still technically a 4.0. Deep down, people can argue about how good a book looks all day long but the technical grade remains objective and we can only spend so much time on a book. The Lions Den 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William-James88 Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 Just to show how eye appeal/oxidation/yellowing/passage of time can be completely unrelated to the technical grade. Here are two FF 67s both in 9.4. The Lions Den, 10centcomics and nines 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lions Den Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 7 minutes ago, William-James88 said: Just to show how eye appeal/oxidation/yellowing/passage of time can be completely unrelated to the technical grade. Here are two FF 67s both in 9.4. A picture really can be worth a thousand words... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keys_Collector Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 1 hour ago, The Lions Den said: A picture really can be worth a thousand words... 1 hour ago, William-James88 said: Just to show how eye appeal/oxidation/yellowing/passage of time can be completely unrelated to the technical grade. Here are two FF 67s both in 9.4. I agree with you 100% on eye appeal not directly correlating to technical grade. The problem with your example is that Heritage brightens its pictures plus its an old case vs a new case (a little more clarity). I'm sure the white pager looks better but I don't think its as significant as that picture comparison shows. Number 6, Randall Dowling and William-James88 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lions Den Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 14 minutes ago, Keys_Collector said: I agree with you 100% on eye appeal not directly correlating to technical grade. The problem with your example is that Heritage brightens its pictures plus its an old case vs a new case (a little more clarity). I'm sure the white pager looks better but I don't think its as significant as that picture comparison shows. This is one of the reasons why we used to avoid "comparison" grading at CGC. As one of my fellow graders used to say: "That way leads to madness..." Randall Dowling and Keys_Collector 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobotski Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 Isn't part of this why they put the page color? e.g., 9.4 White is not the same quality as 9.4 Off White, by how much is subjective to each collector. The Lions Den 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lions Den Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 5 minutes ago, bobotski said: Isn't part of this why they put the page color? e.g., 9.4 White is not the same quality as 9.4 Off White, by how much is subjective to each collector. Correct. And the condition of the pages in and of itself can affect the grade... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightning55 Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 I'd give the top one a 9.5 The Lions Den 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William-James88 Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 4 hours ago, Keys_Collector said: I agree with you 100% on eye appeal not directly correlating to technical grade. The problem with your example is that Heritage brightens its pictures plus its an old case vs a new case (a little more clarity). I'm sure the white pager looks better but I don't think its as significant as that picture comparison shows. Man, if Hertiage brightens their pics then that off white example must look even darker. The Lions Den 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keys_Collector Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 14 minutes ago, William-James88 said: Man, if Hertiage brightens their pics then that off white example must look even darker. Heritage is known for over brightening their images. Look at any example of a book they list and then when it's in hand. Theres examples of it on this forum. As I stated before, the newer CGC case is also clearer. Randall Dowling and William-James88 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
