jduran1 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 What does CGC recognize as Punchline's first appearance. Different collectors select different books. Bit confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revat Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 (edited) What did you find when you looked it up on eBay? im pretty sure if you can find the slab it will say Edited September 4, 2020 by revat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExNihilo Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 Just buy all three and call it a day. https://blog.gocollect.com/punchline-a-case-in-collecting-modern-1st-apperances/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William-James88 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 49 minutes ago, Dolt said: I thought it was already settled as Hell Arisen #3. And here I thought it was Batman 89 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avi Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, ExNihilo said: Just buy all three and call it a day. https://blog.gocollect.com/punchline-a-case-in-collecting-modern-1st-apperances/ First cameo First full cameo First appearance First half appearance First full appearance First appearance on cover Im sure Im missing some... Edited September 4, 2020 by Avi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William-James88 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 I wonder if Dr Phospherous would have gotten the same attention if he were introduced now rather than in the 80s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revat Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 51 minutes ago, Avi said: First cameo First full cameo First appearance First half appearance First full appearance First appearance on cover Im sure Im missing some... Preview appearance 1st appearance in an ad 1st appearance in costume Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jduran1 Posted September 4, 2020 Author Share Posted September 4, 2020 (edited) Thanks. CGC says Hell Arisen 3. But this issue is only a cameo similar to Hulk 180 and ASM 299. Batman 92 is the first full appearance. CGC apparently has it wrong. Lets see what Overstreet says when it comes out... Edited September 4, 2020 by jduran1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William-James88 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, jduran1 said: Thanks. CGC says Hell Arisen 3. But this issue is only a cameo similar to Hulk 180 and ASM 299. Batman 92 is the first full appearance. CGC apparently has it wrong. Lets see what Overstreet says when it comes out... I doubt Overstreet will include that. You'll probably have to wait for next year. Reminds me of Havok's first appearance, he has like 3 books associated to that. Anyways CGC has Batman 89 as first appearance of Punchline in Cameo (which is the same as Hulk 180), rendering Hell Arizen 3 kind of redundant. However, Hell Arizen 3 has a smaller print run than Batman 89 so that will probably be the book that's worth more in short term. Edited September 4, 2020 by William-James88 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExNihilo Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 Batman #89 released February 19th. Hell Arisen #3 released February 26th. Seems more in line with the first appearances of The Batman Who Laughs where "in shadows" and "cameo" appear to be the deciding factors. Dolt 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jduran1 Posted September 4, 2020 Author Share Posted September 4, 2020 The 1st appearance is very important since it effects the value of the book. This is serious stuff since it involves a Key character for years to come..... and money.... The reason I brought this up is because sellers on some selling sites, depending on the book they own will tell you their book is the 1st appearance.... X-men 126 is a good example of this situation..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comicginger1789 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 (edited) Anyone paying big for Punchline will be sad in 5 years when it’s worth less than ten bucks. Edited September 4, 2020 by comicginger1789 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William-James88 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 11 minutes ago, comicginger1789 said: Anyone paying big for Punchline will be sad in 5 years when it’s worth less than ten bucks. You gather the same for The batman who laughs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comicginger1789 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 11 minutes ago, William-James88 said: You gather the same for The batman who laughs? Yup Why would these books grow? Look at the first Bat weiner. That book sold like hot cakes initially and now....dead in the water. People who had to catch a glimpse got it, those who bought with hopes to get value are stuck with books they overpaid for. Granted that’s different than characters but I feel speculators are driving this and it can only last so long. These stories are nothing groundbreaking or even good. It will a fade as those who have to have it get it and interest shifts elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comicginger1789 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 With new characters you have to ask yourself will they sustain? Can it grow and be something people will gravitate towards and last? Can you keep using the character or is it something that runs its course? Do fans actually like the character? Punchline is a copycat of an existing character. Batman Who Laughs is not something you can make last for five more years. I mean I challenge them to keep that premise fresh for long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comicginger1789 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 Harley Quinn is a character that has always grabbed fans. Classic characters will always be the forefront. New characters are a big gamble and not one smart comic investors would waste money on. That being said if you legit love the stories, art and characters like Punchline and Batman Who Laughs then by all means, buy buy buy! But if you are thinking “hey this book is hot, maybe I will buy and cash in when a movie comics out” I think you will be disappointed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William-James88 Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 On 9/4/2020 at 7:18 PM, comicginger1789 said: Yup Why would these books grow? Look at the first Bat weiner. That book sold like hot cakes initially and now....dead in the water. People who had to catch a glimpse got it, those who bought with hopes to get value are stuck with books they overpaid for. Granted that’s different than characters but I feel speculators are driving this and it can only last so long. These stories are nothing groundbreaking or even good. It will a fade as those who have to have it get it and interest shifts elsewhere. What are your thoughts on Venom 3 and Knull? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comicginger1789 Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 20 hours ago, William-James88 said: What are your thoughts on Venom 3 and Knull? Of all the newer characters, that speculation seems stronger. I believe a lot can be done and has been done with that character already. Again it could just be the flavour of the month too but overall I feel the writing and response with that character is much stronger than with Puchline or Batman Who Laughs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpc3qh Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 On 9/4/2020 at 7:28 PM, comicginger1789 said: Harley Quinn is a character that has always grabbed fans. Classic characters will always be the forefront. New characters are a big gamble and not one smart comic investors would waste money on. Harley started out in television and then moved to comics, so I'm not sure it'll be the same circumstance. I'm not sure I'm buying the hype on this either, but I dunno if the Harley comparison is totally fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comicginger1789 Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 55 minutes ago, bpc3qh said: Harley started out in television and then moved to comics, so I'm not sure it'll be the same circumstance. I'm not sure I'm buying the hype on this either, but I dunno if the Harley comparison is totally fair. It’s not but that’s what people hyping this new character want to believe. I guess my main point is that Harley has legit fans from day one or close to it. This propelled her. Punchline may have some fans but I moreso think it’s speculators driving the bus and not true fans of the character or stories she’s a part of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
