DocSaum Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 (edited) I have two books I wanted to resubmit post-cleaning/pressing but since I’ve never done this before I thought I’d check to see where this rates on the scale of good/bad ideas. I can post photos if that’s helpful but thought I’d lean on the grader’s notes first: 1) FF 49 7.0 OW/W PQ Light cover tanning Light foxing to cover Light wear spine 2) IH 181 9.0 OW/W PQ Small chip out left top of back cover Spine stress lines spine breaks color Lastly, if this belongs on another part of the forum let me know and I’ll relocate quickly. Edited September 26, 2020 by DocSaum Added photos Galen130 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silversurfer275 Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 Is there any chance you can post a photo of the front and the back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csaag Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 By "light fixing" did u mean "light foxing,"? Just from the notes posted, it doesn't sound like a press would help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mysterymachine Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 Just from the notes, i don't think a press would help either book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocSaum Posted September 26, 2020 Author Share Posted September 26, 2020 (edited) Photos up (sorry for the less than ideal quality) and yes, meant foxing. First time I ever typed that word out, autocorrect tried to boss me around with it. Edited September 26, 2020 by DocSaum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 30 minutes ago, mysterymachine said: Just from the notes, i don't think a press would help either book. Agreed. It doesn’t look like much is going to change from cleaning either based on what I can see. I would save the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocSaum Posted September 26, 2020 Author Share Posted September 26, 2020 (edited) You’re all the best, I greatly appreciate it. That’s what I was thinking but sought out the validation. Will stick to submitting my raws! Edited September 26, 2020 by DocSaum The Lions Den 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William-James88 Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 1 hour ago, DocSaum said: You’re all the best, I greatly appreciate it. That’s what I was thinking but sought out the validation. Will stick to submitting my raws! Yuip, way better, none of those defects are pressable/cleanable. What you hope to see is a crease that does not break colour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galen130 Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 I agree with my fellow boardies. I'd just leave 'em be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James J Johnson Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 8 hours ago, csaag said: By "light fixing" did u mean "light foxing,"? Just from the notes posted, it doesn't sound like a press would help. +1 Foxing, tanning, staining, mentioned prominently in grader's notes typically = poor pressing candidate. Unless the book has any of these defects of discoloring and a bunch of revisable defects that would lend well to pressing. For instance, say a 3.0 with discoloring defects plus a spine roll, thus realigning the roll might yield a 4.5 or more, the value drastically increased if the book is costly enough to warrant it DocSaum 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCOComics Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 Agree with the consensus. The good news is, you've got a couple of beautiful books and you get to save some $$ on pressing / resubmitting James J Johnson and DocSaum 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornelius The First Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 If it helps I recently pressed a 49 that came out a 6.0 and had the following notes: light creasing to coverlight foxing to covermoderate cover tanningmoderate spine stress lines to cover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StreetPreacher Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Cory Schmidt said: If it helps I recently pressed a 49 that came out a 6.0 and had the following notes: light creasing to cover Wow, so the grader noticed creases even AFTER the book was pressed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 1 hour ago, StreetPreacher said: Wow, so the grader noticed creases even AFTER the book was pressed? I had the same thing happen. The book I sent in also had a light pencil in the white portions of the logo. I sent to get pressed and cleaned and on the graders notes after it said "very light pencil marks" so they still noted them, even after they were cleaned by CCS. I think the book did gain a little eye appeal maybe but it was a pretty high cost to pay (about $215 with shipping) for no bump in grade and only minor eye appeal increase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornelius The First Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 3 hours ago, StreetPreacher said: Wow, so the grader noticed creases even AFTER the book was pressed? Correct. A little disappointed with that, however in my case, it was a book that wasn’t overly cared for found in a long box, so I was hoping for 4.5 to 6.0 so getting a 6.0 was ok in my book Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James J Johnson Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 8 hours ago, StreetPreacher said: Wow, so the grader noticed creases even AFTER the book was pressed? Depends on the creases. Do they fracture the color? That's the key question. Once the color is gone, fractured and flaked out of the crease's furrow, a press might be able to reduce the depth of the crease in many cases, but a press cannot revise the missing color flaked from the channel of that crease, thus even flattened, the visual aesthetics will likely not be changed to an appreciably sufficient degree to warrant a grade bump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James J Johnson Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 On 9/26/2020 at 8:23 AM, DocSaum said: I have two books I wanted to resubmit post-cleaning/pressing but since I’ve never done this before I thought I’d check to see where this rates on the scale of good/bad ideas. I can post photos if that’s helpful but thought I’d lean on the grader’s notes first: 1) FF 49 7.0 OW/W PQ Light cover tanning As far as the tanning goes, it might be excellent research for you to study the silver age high grade Marvels from the Nadia and Joe Mannarino collection. Many of these are structurally exceptional 9.2 to 9.4 quality books from the aspect of wear, but.................... many of them are CGC graded 8.0 and 8.5 due to varied degree of edge toning, light to dark. Point is that if you have a book that otherwise looks to be solid 9.2 or 9.4 quality, and tone/tanning relegates it to 8.0 or 8.5, think of how equivalent degree of tone/tanned edges is going to impact the grade on a book of otherwise 8.0 area quality! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocSaum Posted September 29, 2020 Author Share Posted September 29, 2020 On 9/27/2020 at 5:18 PM, James J Johnson said: As far as the tanning goes, it might be excellent research for you to study the silver age high grade Marvels from the Nadia and Joe Mannarino collection. Many of these are structurally exceptional 9.2 to 9.4 quality books from the aspect of wear, but.................... many of them are CGC graded 8.0 and 8.5 due to varied degree of edge toning, light to dark. Point is that if you have a book that otherwise looks to be solid 9.2 or 9.4 quality, and tone/tanning relegates it to 8.0 or 8.5, think of how equivalent degree of tone/tanned edges is going to impact the grade on a book of otherwise 8.0 area quality! Much appreciated! Foxing and tanning weren’t in my area of expertise and neither was anything GA and not much SA until the boards started positively influencing my brain and negatively influencing my wallet. Will look into collections and definitely agree that it impacts grading as this book presents really well and deceptively gave me the impression it could grade better. Thanks again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
