Part 2: A-Level Panel Page Valuations by Artist/Run 7 7

[artdealer]

1 hour ago, heartened said:

Steranko Cap seems locked up.  No public or private sales for panel pages that I know of in a while.  My guess would be same or higher than the X-Men/NFShield pages.

I sold a Steranko Cap double spread for $100,000

[stinkininkin]

1 hour ago, artdealer said:

Miller Elektra pages $8000-$16000.

This would be a now rare example of a segment of the OA market not keeping up with rising trends. I bought my Miller Electra page 7-8 years ago for 20k. Even more surprising that it's a popular artist and character!

[heartened]

14 hours ago, stinkininkin said:

This would be a now rare example of a segment of the OA market not keeping up with rising trends. I bought my Miller Electra page 7-8 years ago for 20k. Even more surprising that it's a popular artist and character!

Are we talking Miller Elektra Lives Again?  Just want to make sure people aren't talking about Miller Daredevil pages with Elektra.

[heartened]

OK, added Miller Elektra Lives Again at 10-20K, and Steranko Cap at 30-40K with the rest of his panel pages.

[stinkininkin]

7 hours ago, heartened said:

Are we talking Miller Elektra Lives Again?  Just want to make sure people aren't talking about Miller Daredevil pages with Elektra.

I assumed that's what @artdealer was referencing, and what I was expanding upon. I actually have not been tracking those prices since I bought my example, so deferred to Mitch's expertise as the initial seller of this material. Has there been any secondary market examples to point to? Haven't looked for any myself, but the prices suggested are significantly less than Miller Electra pages from the Daredevil run. 

Edited February 7, 2021 by stinkininkin

[Aahz]

23 hours ago, Chaykin Stevens said:

I've been trying to think of possible candidates to add to the list.  Does anyone know what any of these might change hands for, if they ever do?

Howard Chaykin Star Wars
Gene Colan 60s Avengers
Robert Crumb - Comic Art Tracker has various panel pages that sold for six figures on Heritage
Alan Davis Captain Britain (stories written by Alan Moore)
Alan Davis DR and Quinch (stories written by Alan Moore)
Michael Golden Micronauts
Marc Hempel Sandman
Gil Kane Hulk in Tales to Astonish
Gil Kane Cap in Tales of Suspense
Gil Kane Daredevil
Jack Kirby Sgt. Fury
David Mazzucchelli Batman Year One
Mike McMahon Judge Dredd
Todd McFarlane Batman Year Two in Detective Comics
Frank Miller Elektra Lives Again
Spain Rodriguez Trashman etc
John Romita sr Daredevil
John Romita Sr 50s Cap
John Romita Sr 70s Cap
Marie Severin 2up Hulk in Tales to Astonish
Gilbert Shelton Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers etc
Jim Starlin MOKF
Jim Steranko Cap
S Clay Wilson Checkererd Demon etc - Comic Art Tracker has various panel gages that sold for between 8k and 52k on Heritage

A Hempel Sandman page was at auction recently; there are Shelton pages out there for sale, including the whole "Fineous Gets an Abortion" story.  I think the Golden Micronauts is pretty rare.  There was an interview on CAF Live recently about the new Artists edition.

[heartened]

1 hour ago, stinkininkin said:

I assumed that's what @artdealer was referencing, and what I was expanding upon. I actually have not been tracking those prices since I bought my example, so deferred to Mitch's expertise as the initial seller of this material. Has there been any secondary market examples to point to? Haven't looked for any myself, but they are significantly less than Miller Electra pages from the Daredevil run. 

Agreed.  I didn't know the range they are at nowadays, which is why I wanted the clarification.

[heartened]

1 hour ago, Heidjer Staecker said:

A Hempel Sandman page was at auction recently; there are Shelton pages out there for sale, including the whole "Fineous Gets an Abortion" story.  I think the Golden Micronauts is pretty rare.  There was an interview on CAF Live recently about the new Artists edition.

Yeah, any ideas on Golden Micronauts pages?  Or Golden Dr. Strange?

[Chaykin Stevens]

On 2/7/2021 at 7:16 PM, heartened said:

Yeah, any ideas on Golden Micronauts pages?  Or Golden Dr. Strange?

Golden Dr. Strange is already on the list, in the $10-20k tier.  I'm sure someone will come up with prices for Micronauts pages if we're patient.  Patience is a virue.

[heartened]

23 hours ago, Chaykin Stevens said:

Golden Dr. Strange is already on the list, in the $10-20k tier.  I'm sure someone will come up with prices for Micronauts pages if we're patient.  Patience is a virue.

I stand corrected LOL!  Yes, I'm sure someone will!  

[PhilipB2k17]

On 12/31/2020 at 9:05 PM, heartened said:

Hi everyone, hats off to Lago32 for the initial idea in 2014, and to Alxjhnsn for this idea to create an all-new thread so I can keep this at the top of the thread and update over time, while keeping the original valuations from 2014 on the other thread.  I have also reorganized in alphabetical order.  Please post comments below, and I will keep updating.  The ranges are what an A level Panel Page would value.  In the definitions, we define A page and also art above and below this level.

 

DEFINITIONS

Covers or Pages that Transcend Artist/Run (eg. major first app) are 3 to 6X       

A+, an Exceptional Page (top 5%, eg. key story, battle page, key character app) is 1.5 to 2X                                                              

A , a Special Keeper Page (top 20%, eg. little need to upgrade, "classic" example from run/story) is 1X                                                    

B, a Nice Representative Example (top 50%, eg. solid, recognizable) is 0.5 to 0.75X                                       

C, a Placeholder / Might Upgrade (bottom 50%, eg. would like to upgrade if possible) is 0.25 to 0.40X                                 

 

VALUES FOR "A" PAGES, UPDATED 02/07/2021

Above $150K

Bolland - Killing Joke

 

Above $125k

Ditko - Amazing Spider-Man

 

Above $100k

Ditko – Dr. Strange

Kirby - X-Men #1

Miller - DKR

Wrightson - Frankenstein plates

 

Above $80k

Everett - Daredevil #1

Romita Sr - ASM 2Up

 

Above $60k

Ditko - Incredible Hulk #6

Kirby - Incredible Hulk / FF 2Up / Avengers #1

 

Above $50k

Byrne – UXM

BWS – Weapon X

McFarlane – ASM / Spider-Man

 

Above $40k

Gibbons – Watchmen

Miller – 300 / DD 1^st run / Wolverine Limited

Romita – ASM Regular Size

Ware – Jimmy Corrigan

 

$30-40k

Ditko - TTA Hulk

Frazetta - Creepy (Werewolf story)

Kirby – X-Men / Avengers / TOS / FF Reg Size / Silver Surfer

Miller - Ronin

Steranko - X-Men / Strange Tales / Nick Fury / Captain America

Wrightson - Swamp Thing

 

$20-30k

Adams, N – X-Men

Buscema, J – Silver Surfer

Cockrum - X-Men 1st run

Dringenberg – Sandman

Kieth - Sandman

Kirby – JIM

Larsen - ASM / MCP / Spider-Man

Leach – Marvelman / Miracleman

Lee - UXM / XM / Batman (Hush)

Lloyd - V for Vendetta

McKean - Arkham Asylum

Moebius – Silver Surfer

Russel, PC - Sandman

Starlin - 1970s Marvel Cosmic

Totleben - Miracleman

Vess - Sandman

Wood - Daredevil

 

$10-20k

Adams, N - Batman / Avengers / GL

Andru - ASM

Bachalo - Sandman / Death

Bissette/Totleben - Swamp Thing

Bolland - Judge Dredd

Buscema, J - Avengers 1st run

BWS – Conan / X-Men / Iron Man / Avengers

Byrne – FF / Iron Fist / Avengers 1st run

Charest – X-Men/Wildcats one-shot

Cockrum - X-Men 2nd run

Clowes – Eightball, others

Colan - Daredevil 2Up / TOS Iron Man 2Up

Ditko - TOS Iron Man

Everett - Golden Age work

Frazetta - Thun’da / others

Gibbons - Superman Annual #11

Golden - Dr Strange / Avengers Annual #10

Jones, K - Sandman

Kane/Sprang - Batman 2Up

Kane - ASM

Kirby - 1960s Captain America / Strange Tales / Tales to Astonish / Thor / 70s Marvel work

Liefeld - New Mutants / X-Force

Lim – Infinity Gauntlet / SS / Thanos Quest

Mazzucchelli - Daredevil (Born Again)

McFarlane - Hulk

Mignola - Hellboy

Miller - Sin City / Elektra Lives Again

Moore – Silver Surfer Black

Perez – Infinity Gauntlet

Rogers - Detective Comics

Ross - Marvels / Kingdom Come

Sienkiewicz - Elektra: Assassin

Smith, P - UXM

Starlin - Death of Captain Marvel

Thompson – Sandman

Turner - Superman/Batman

Zeck – Kraven’s Last Hunt

 

$5-10k

Adams, A - Longshot / X-Men Annual #14 / Fantastic Four

Adams, N – Deadman

Bolland – Camelot 3000

Brunner - Dr Strange / HTD

Buscema, S – PPTSS (1^st run) / Avengers / Hulk

BWS - Machine Man

Byrne - Captain America / Alpha Flight / Marvel Team Up

Campbell – From Hell

Capullo - Batman

Colan - Daredevil / Iron Man / Cap (all regular size)

Davis - Marvelman / Miracleman

Ditko - Warren work

Eastman & Laird - TMNT and related

Everett - 1970s work

Gulacy - MOKF (Gulacy inks)

Heck – Avengers / TOS / X-Men (all 2Up)

Kaluta – Shadow

Kieth - Marvel Comics Presents

Kirby - 1970s DC work

Kubert, J - Hawkman / war art 2up

Mazzucchelli - Daredevil (pre-Born Again)

Miller - ASM Annual

Moore - Walking Dead

O’Neill – LOEG

Perez/Marcos - Avengers 1st run

Perez - New Teen Titans / Crisis on Infinite Earths / FF / JLA

Romita Jr - 1980s ASM / 1980s UXM / 1980s Daredevil

Sale – The Long Halloween / Dark Victory

Sekowsky - JLA 2up (Crisis issues)

Sienkiewicz – Moon Knight / New Mutants

Silvestri - UXM / Wolverine

Simonson - Thor (non-Simonson inks)

Smith, P – Dr. Strange

Stevens – Rocketeer

Swan - Superman 2up / Whatever Happened to Man of Tomorrow

Wrightson - Warren work

Zeck – Punisher / Secret Wars

 

$3-5k

Adlard - Walking Dead

Aparo - 1970s Batman

Bagley - ASM

Bisley – Lobo (1^st series)

Buckingham - Miracleman

Buscema/Alcala - Savage Sword of Conan

Campbell, JS – Gen 13/DangerGirl

Capullo - Spawn (McF inks)

Charest – Wildcats

Dillon – Preacher

Ezquerra - Judge Dredd

Frenz - ASM

Giffen – LOS Great Darkness

Gulacy - MOKF (other inkers)

Hernandez - Love and Rockets (first 50 issues)

Infantino - Flash 2up

Jones - Batman

Kane - Atom 2up / Green Lantern 2up

Kubert, Adam - Wolverine

Kubert, Andy - X-Men

Lee – Wildcats

Madureira – X-Men

Murphy - White Knight

O'Barr - Crow

Portacio – X-Men

Ploog - Werewolf by Night / Ghost Rider

Quesada – Daredevil

Quitely – Invisibles

Risso - 100 Bullets

Simonson – X-Factor

Wood/Ingels/Kurtzman/Davis - EC work

Zeck - Captain America

 

 

Pretty sure Wrightson Frankenstein “A” plates should now go up to the tippy top. The cover plate sold for $1.2 million. 

[exitmusicblue]

3 hours ago, PhilipB2k17 said:

Pretty sure Wrightson Frankenstein “A” plates should now go up to the tippy top. The cover plate sold for $1.2 million. 

If Bernie plates are in on this, let's get Frazetta's EQ i.e Eerie #23 cover for a cool $5.4 mil.  B-)

Edit:  Oh, interiors only it seems!

Edited April 4, 2021 by exitmusicblue

[fsumavila]

On 2/6/2021 at 1:19 PM, Chaykin Stevens said:

I've been trying to think of possible candidates to add to the list.  Does anyone know what any of these might change hands for, if they ever do?

Howard Chaykin Star Wars
Gene Colan 60s Avengers
Robert Crumb - Comic Art Tracker has various panel pages that sold for six figures on Heritage
Alan Davis Captain Britain (stories written by Alan Moore)
Alan Davis DR and Quinch (stories written by Alan Moore)
Michael Golden Micronauts
Marc Hempel Sandman
Gil Kane Hulk in Tales to Astonish
Gil Kane Cap in Tales of Suspense
Gil Kane Daredevil
Jack Kirby Sgt. Fury
David Mazzucchelli Batman Year One
Mike McMahon Judge Dredd
Todd McFarlane Batman Year Two in Detective Comics
Frank Miller Elektra Lives Again
Spain Rodriguez Trashman etc
John Romita sr Daredevil
John Romita Sr 50s Cap
John Romita Sr 70s Cap
Marie Severin 2up Hulk in Tales to Astonish
Gilbert Shelton Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers etc
Jim Starlin MOKF
Jim Steranko Cap
S Clay Wilson Checkererd Demon etc - Comic Art Tracker has various panel gages that sold for between 8k and 52k on Heritage

Chaykin Star Wars pages are next to impossible to find, and if you do, good luck. The collectors who go after them have deep pockets

 

[PhilipB2k17]

Quesada/Palmiotti Daredevil pages seem to be spiking quite a bit. 

[delekkerste]

We have an OA market that presently respects no boundaries of price, quality, history or even taste. Given how steroidal auction results have been lately, I think a lot of pieces could blow through the ranges stated here.  People should break their psychological anchors to historical data points and boundaries that, for the time being, no longer exist in this hobby, because the people paying these prices sure have. 

At this point, I would rather that the (very) few remaining things I really want in the OA world to stay unavailable. While I fully recognize and acknowledge the bizarre reality of what is going on in the marketplace, that doesn't mean I have to like it or have any desire to participate in this madness if I can avoid it!  

Edited April 5, 2021 by delekkerste

[sfilosa]

11 hours ago, delekkerste said:

We have an OA market that presently respects no boundaries of price, quality, history or even taste. Given how steroidal auction results have been lately, I think a lot of pieces could blow through the ranges stated here.  People should break their psychological anchors to historical data points and boundaries that, for the time being, no longer exist in this hobby, because the people paying these prices sure have. 

At this point, I would rather that the (very) few remaining things I really want in the OA world to stay unavailable. While I fully recognize and acknowledge the bizarre reality of what is going on in the marketplace, that doesn't mean I have to like it or have any desire to participate in this madness if I can avoid it!  

I know we all think (as I do) that prices are going crazy. That said, you made a comment regarding no boundaries, and implied that quality didn't matter.

By know means am I disagreeing with you, but could you point out a few example (preferably in the Silver/Bronze/80's range) of pieces you thought the pricing was way off based on quality. I think we all get surprised on some new art that goes through the roof, but I'm more interest in hearing from you (or anyone else), what they thought was extremely expensive for a piece that was "not quality".  

Edited April 6, 2021 by sfilosa
Typo

[GreatEscape]

2 hours ago, sfilosa said:

I know we all thing (as I do) that prices are going crazy. That said, you made a comment regarding no boundaries, and implied that quality didn't matter.

By know means am I disagreeing with you, but could you point out a few example (preferably in the Silver/Bronze/80's range) of pieces you thought the pricing was way off based on quality. I think we all get surprised on some new art that goes through the roof, but I'm more interest in hearing from you (or anyone else), what they thought was extremely expensive for a piece that was "not quality".  

I'm still trying to grasp what's happening in the marketplace and certainly not one to criticize record prices-- heck, a good portion of my collection were top of market purchases over the years--  but the Wonder Woman #231 (1977) cover selling for $25k blew away my expectations and comparable prices.   Mike Nasser and Vince Colletta don't normally realize prices anywhere close, and surely not together. During the past 3 years, the next highest WW covers sold by HA would be $22k (Perez), $10.8k (Bolland), $9k (Infantino) and $8k (Sekowsky).  During same period, Nasser covers sold for $16k (ASM) and $9k (Defenders), both those also reflect a Marvel premium to DC art.   Nasser's highest priced piece among CAF-tracked dealers is $2800 for a Superboy title splash.  Any thoughts / insights would be appreciated as I'm looking to buy a WW cover (preferably Buckler 70s or Perez 80s) sometime soon.  Thx

Link

 

Edited April 5, 2021 by GreatEscape

[vodou]

3 hours ago, delekkerste said:

People should break their psychological anchors to historical data points and boundaries that, for the time being, no longer exist in this hobby, because the people paying these prices sure have. 

2032.

[delekkerste]

2 hours ago, sfilosa said:

I know we all thing (as I do) that prices are going crazy. That said, you made a comment regarding no boundaries, and implied that quality didn't matter.

By know means am I disagreeing with you, but could you point out a few example (preferably in the Silver/Bronze/80's range) of pieces you thought the pricing was way off based on quality. I think we all get surprised on some new art that goes through the roof, but I'm more interest in hearing from you (or anyone else), what they thought was extremely expensive for a piece that was "not quality".  

I'm much too diplomatic to call out artists (and collectors!) by name.

[vodou]

2 hours ago, sfilosa said:

a piece that was "not quality".  

Gene can speak for himself but I'm gonna pipe in state what I hope is obvious to all: "not quality" represents about 95% of all comic art that's ever existed. Most of the 5% remaining was created in the last two decades. There is a very good reason most comic artists were not able to make it into the slicks (or even pulps/men's mags)...they stunk. And, channeling a bit of @Bronty now...nobody is hot to chase anything Sal Buscema drew that wasn't published by Marvel of DC. Or another way of putting: who collecting Dave Cockrum has anything Claypool Comics on their wantlist?