First Appearances According to CGC 0

[Dick Pontoon]

Threads like these make me feel like The_Beyonder's avatar.

[BigLeagueCHEW]

2 hours ago, THE_BEYONDER said:

Just as ASM 299 “IS” Venom’s first appearance 

Shins up, not a "Full" appearance 

[THE_BEYONDER]

3 minutes ago, BigLeagueCHEW said:

Shins up, not a "Full" appearance 

I didn’t say anything about “full” 

[Lazyboy]

On 1/12/2021 at 5:58 PM, Mikey C said:

IMO Hulk 180 is his first appearance. I own both so I don’t care but the first time anyone could see Wolverine was in Hulk 180. That’s all I’m saying. I don’t care that the market has landed on. Everyone can have their own opinion. 

No, Incredible Hulk #180 is factually Wolverine's first appearance, with no qualifiers. Opinions are not relevant. But it is only one panel.

You can decide what you like and collect, but you can't change reality.

 

On the matter of how you view it:

Don't you think it's interesting that Marvel created this advertisement for Hulk #181 when Wolverine did actually appear in a whole panel in #180? Where was the ad for his true debut in #180?

How about this single-issue reprint?

Did they think people didn't deserve to see the first panel ever to contain Wolverine?

[Lazyboy]

3 hours ago, THE_BEYONDER said:

Just as ASM 299 “IS” Venom’s first appearance 

No, Venom has 3 earlier appearances. That issue is only the first depiction of his nearly full, unobstructed body.

[THE_BEYONDER]

20 minutes ago, Lazyboy said:

No, Venom has 3 earlier appearances. That issue is only the first depiction of his nearly full, unobstructed body.

Can you show me the panels?

[JazzMan]

An example of CGC Consistency.

On 8/27/2020 at 9:57 AM, JazzMan said:

 graded 07/27/2020

 graded 07/28/2020

It's not like they are months nor years apart and have changed their minds...it's a day between gradings.

[Juno Beach]

4 hours ago, Lazyboy said:

No, Incredible Hulk #180 is factually Wolverine's first appearance, with no qualifiers. Opinions are not relevant. But it is only one panel.

You can decide what you like and collect, but you can't change reality.

 

On the matter of how you view it:

Don't you think it's interesting that Marvel created this advertisement for Hulk #181 when Wolverine did actually appear in a whole panel in #180? Where was the ad for his true debut in #180?

How about this single-issue reprint?

Did they think people didn't deserve to see the first panel ever to contain Wolverine?

There's also this (#180 and 181):

[HotKey]

Is everyone just accepting that "Venom" is ONLY when the suit is on Eddy?

Couldn't one argue the suit itself is what makes Venom, since Eddie by himself is no Venom, and therefore the first panel with Peter with the suit would be at least a partial Venom first appearance?

[Lazyboy]

1 minute ago, Juno Beach said:

There's also this (#180 and 181):

Of course, but my point is that when Wolverine's debut was reprinted from a single issue, it was 181 rather than 180 used.

[Lazyboy]

10 minutes ago, Sferg said:

Is everyone just accepting that "Venom" is ONLY when the suit is on Eddy?

Couldn't one argue the suit itself is what makes Venom, since Eddie by himself is no Venom, and therefore the first panel with Peter with the suit would be at least a partial Venom first appearance?

Venom is the combination of Eddie Brock and the alien symbiote Spider-Man acquired during the Secret Wars. Spider-Man was never Venom.

[Lazyboy]

4 hours ago, THE_BEYONDER said:

Can you show me the panels?

Check this thread for the first two and the other is the last page of ASM 298, which is entirely Venom.

[HotKey]

35 minutes ago, Lazyboy said:

Venom is the combination of Eddie Brock and the alien symbiote Spider-Man acquired during the Secret Wars. Spider-Man was never Venom.

Agreed Peter was never Venom BUT the suit DID exhibit it's own behavior and personality traits while Peter was wearing it, separate from Peter, giving the suit it's own identity. 

[Lazyboy]

3 minutes ago, Sferg said:

Agreed Peter was never Venom BUT the suit DID exhibit it's own behavior and personality traits while Peter was wearing it, separate from Peter, giving the suit it's own identity. 

Yes, it is a sentient being, as revealed in ASM 258. But, by itself, it is still not Venom.

[HotKey]

1 hour ago, Lazyboy said:

Yes, it is a sentient being, as revealed in ASM 258. But, by itself, it is still not Venom.

I agree this is the accepted definition of Venom, but I think the argument can be made that Venom is indeed solely the suit, and that the suit tried to turn Peter into "Venom" but Peter resisted the suit and was able to get rid of it before being fully transformed.

Eddie offered no resistance and was easily transformed into the base dominant personality of the suit, which is Venom, imo.

[theCapraAegagrus]

I thought that Venom is the symbiote regardless of the host...?

[theCapraAegagrus]

2 minutes ago, E5150 said:

Nope.

Then what is just the symbiote?

[HotKey]

31 minutes ago, E5150 said:

Nope.

Your rebuttal is both in depth and insightful as to its foundation. 

[THE_BEYONDER]

1 hour ago, Angel of Death said:

Then what is just the symbiote?

I think you answered your own question. It’s just the symbiote.

Venom is just the name that Eddie and the symbiote calls itself. 

Edited January 14, 2021 by THE_BEYONDER

[valiantman]

17 hours ago, Pontoon said:

Threads like these make me feel like The_Beyonder's avatar.

Speaking of which...

How is that guy hitting his head?  It looks like the corner of a building that he's inside, but somehow visible.  If it's a pole, it has two shadows. If it's a wall, then what is the line he's standing on? Where are the bricks?  Does his shoe have a wheel?

I feel like that guy in the avatar trying to figure out what's going on with that guy in the avatar.