PINWHEEL Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 Curious on thoughts about this signature inside my Swamp Thing #1. It somewhat matches Bernies signature I've seen on certain items (included an example from a Captain Stern print). I've had the book since the early '90's and I didn't get it signed. It is honestly a beautiful copy, a 9.6 and possibly even a 9.8 but I'm concerned how CGC might treat the unconfirmed signature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanfingh Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 I believe it is authentic. Also as a ball point on the splash page, it will have little to no effect on the grade. If it is a 9.6 it should stay a 9.6. If it is a 9.8 it could possibly take down to 9.6, but I will tell you I have had SEVERAL 9.8s with unauthenticated sigs on the splash, including one that was an owner sig, and not even a creator sig. Page color looks great. The Lions Den 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PINWHEEL Posted January 15, 2021 Author Share Posted January 15, 2021 14 hours ago, seanfingh said: I believe it is authentic. Also as a ball point on the splash page, it will have little to no effect on the grade. If it is a 9.6 it should stay a 9.6. If it is a 9.8 it could possibly take down to 9.6, but I will tell you I have had SEVERAL 9.8s with unauthenticated sigs on the splash, including one that was an owner sig, and not even a creator sig. Page color looks great. Thanks for the info, much appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Namtak Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 All non witnessed signature will be a qualified label i hope one day they change their policy like cbcs did they would put it in the verified label if authentic hope cgc do one day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beyonder123 Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 14 hours ago, Namtak said: All non witnessed signature will be a qualified label i hope one day they change their policy like cbcs did they would put it in the verified label if authentic hope cgc do one day. Correct me if I'm wrong, but i believe you can request the blue label, and they will grade the book accordingly. Artboy99 and Randall Ries 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turtle Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 On 1/17/2021 at 9:26 AM, Namtak said: All non witnessed signature will be a qualified label i hope one day they change their policy like cbcs did they would put it in the verified label if authentic hope cgc do one day. This is incorrect. See @seanfingh's post above. If interior signatures are unobtrusive, it's possible that they will have no effect on the grade and will still get a universal label. I disagree about changing the policy. Signature experts and even the creators themselves will sometimes get it wrong when asked "is this signature authentic?" A separate label for signatures authenticated after the fact would hold zero value to me. The Signature Series label provides a chain of custody from the signing of the book until encapsulation. Third party authenticators are guessing. Some guesses are more educated than others, but it's still guessing. Namtak 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monstertruck97 Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 The Wrightson is 100% good and agree 100% above. Chain of custody makes it special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Ries Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 5 hours ago, Turtle said: This is incorrect. See @seanfingh's post above. If interior signatures are unobtrusive, it's possible that they will have no effect on the grade and will still get a universal label. I disagree about changing the policy. Signature experts and even the creators themselves will sometimes get it wrong when asked "is this signature authentic?" A separate label for signatures authenticated after the fact would hold zero value to me. The Signature Series label provides a chain of custody from the signing of the book until encapsulation. Third party authenticators are guessing. Some guesses are more educated than others, but it's still guessing. Does anyone know specifically how cbcs "verifies? What criteria they use? Is it an on staff expert or a book full of signatures they compare to? I have bought a few "verified" signatures but only when there is little doubt who signed it. Or it would be pointless faking the artists sig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monstertruck97 Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 As of 2018, they started working with Beckett (BAS) and everything is looked by their authenticators (Steve Grad, who I have known forever, is the head authenticator and could be seen on Pawn Stars) and they decide whether the signature is good or bad based on years of expertise, exemplars, etc. Saw a guy on youtube send in a few books to them and 3 of 5 came back as blue label (the signatures rightfully failed) and he was upset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Ries Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 5 minutes ago, Monstertruck97 said: As of 2018, they started working with Beckett (BAS) and everything is looked by their authenticators (Steve Grad, who I have known forever, is the head authenticator and could be seen on Pawn Stars) and they decide whether the signature is good or bad based on years of expertise, exemplars, etc. Saw a guy on youtube send in a few books to them and 3 of 5 came back as blue label (the signatures rightfully failed) and he was upset. Well, that's great news! I was hoping for that. I have seen Steve on "Pawn Stars". I bought one of our employees a Beckett authenticated 8x10 picture of Jimmy Stewart and "Harvey" signed by Jimmy Stewart for an end of year bonus. Had it framed and everything. That one almost didn't leave the office. If cbcs is using Beckett as a verifier, that's good enough for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monstertruck97 Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 Oh man, I feel like I am touting the competitor. I assure you, I am all about CGC and a self-confessed addict of the yellow label and own not a single competitor slab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lions Den Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 On 1/17/2021 at 9:26 AM, Namtak said: All non witnessed signature will be a qualified label i hope one day they change their policy like cbcs did they would put it in the verified label if authentic hope cgc do one day. This is true if the signature is written on the exterior of the cover (or in rare cases, the interior of the cover). If it's on the first page, it will usually stay a blue label with a notation on the label such as "Name written on 1st page in pen." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Namtak Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 11 hours ago, Monstertruck97 said: Oh man, I feel like I am touting the competitor. I assure you, I am all about CGC and a self-confessed addict of the yellow label and own not a single competitor slab. Well if the comic is right for you you can still buy it unslab it and submit it to cgc lol.im all about the hunt of comics !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
