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What movie based "key" are you most annoyed by?
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On 2/27/2021 at 11:37 AM, BoogieWoogie said:

Spectacular Spider-Man #98 will be a .25-$3 book again in another 12 to 18 months. I'll buy up another stockpile of copies when it craters but I couldn't pass on moving those last week lol 

Are there examples of recent books that have blown up that then crash all the way back?  Or don't most of them find a longterm bump? 

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3 hours ago, Spidey 62 said:

Are there examples of recent books that have blown up that then crash all the way back?  Or don't most of them find a longterm bump? 

I don't know if you would say that Venom #25 blew up but it was fairly hot for a few months until it was revealed who Virus was. A better example is probably when people thought that Luke Fox was going to be The Next Batman but it turned out to be Tim Fox

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22 hours ago, Larryw7 said:

Tomb of Dracula 10. It makes it tough to complete a high grade run of the series.

It's lower now than it will be in a year or two years I think. I think Blade is going to be the big star of Marvel's horror stuff. He will have a huge role in the movies and the films in that part of the MCU. Got a huge actor for the role for a reason

I should track down a copy myself lol 

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On 2/27/2021 at 3:32 PM, MR SigS said:

It'll be a draw after each takes turns getting the upper hand until they reluctantly unite against a common foe. Then at the end they go their separate ways, perhaps with a new found respect for the other, but hardly friends.

No way. They are going to team-up against a common foe. The studios are too smart to alienate half of their audience with their team losing and then having them badmouth the film.

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Wandavision has caused more books than ever to spike I feel.

First Mephisto, first Grim Reaper, first Agatha Harkness, first Wonder Man, first Nexus, first Modred, first Chthon, first Immortus, first Monica Rambeau, first Darkhold, first Wandas kids, first Arcanna, first SWORD, first White Vision.

All books that you could have had in decent shape for maybe $500-700 if you tried to buy them all. Now? Insanity that people are paying what they are for some of these. Who are these people? Are they thinking they are getting the next big book? Do they not realize in the month or two after Wandavision, more than half those books are gonna plummet hard? Do they see Agatha Harkness and think “oh lord yes my favourite character of all time FINALLY getting her dues!”

Or am I the one missing out 😳

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37 minutes ago, comicginger1789 said:

Wandavision has caused more books than ever to spike I feel.

First Mephisto, first Grim Reaper, first Agatha Harkness, first Wonder Man, first Nexus, first Modred, first Chthon, first Immortus, first Monica Rambeau, first Darkhold, first Wandas kids, first Arcanna, first SWORD, first White Vision.

All books that you could have had in decent shape for maybe $500-700 if you tried to buy them all. Now? Insanity that people are paying what they are for some of these. Who are these people? Are they thinking they are getting the next big book? Do they not realize in the month or two after Wandavision, more than half those books are gonna plummet hard? Do they see Agatha Harkness and think “oh lord yes my favourite character of all time FINALLY getting her dues!”

Or am I the one missing out 😳

I have sold several copies of my first appearance of Spot... I have been working on a Werewolf by Night run but I'm going to let go of my Spotlight 4 for now too. No way the first Darkhold continues to be a major key. I honestly never thought about the book as being the first Darkhold it's just the 3rd app of WWBN to me lol

Hopefully it really sinks and I can get a NM copy in a few months lol

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On 2/27/2021 at 11:37 AM, BoogieWoogie said:

I guess I get to play contrarian today (:

I don't think the Rambeau hype will be stable but I'm trying to get my minty ASM Annual 16 graded and out of my hands before that happens. Which I don't think will be for a while. I just sold a copy of Giant Size Captain Marvel #1 for $50 and that book was literally a free throw in with an order I made years ago.

As for Harley I think the book was just undervalued before. Harley has a great character design and is super popular. Margot's adaption has been popular despite the films themselves being stinkers so why wouldn't her first appearance be in high demand? And as popular as Harley is among even people that barely know about comics why would it ever substantially recede? Harley is one of the very most popular new characters out of the 90s. As someone that grew up in the 90s... we're just entering our early 30s and having expendable income. I don't think that book is going anywhere. If anything it has a lot of room to grow, IMO.

Madame Web was huge in the Spider-Man animated series and Hydro-Man is just a cool character that some fans like. I'm one of them, honestly. I always liked Sandman so of course I dig Hydro-Man. And I think his everyman character design to cement the Sandman parallel is great. I am actually trying to find a NM+ copy of 212 at a good price and have been for a while.

All of these Z-list characters have fans, even absent of movie hype. I have like 5 copies of ASM #110 because I actually like the Gibbon. I think the Grizzley is lame but I am sure some people are drawn to him. Or Mindworm. Or Mirage. Or Will O' Wisp. The Hydro-Man is just because people like Hydro-Man and Spider-Man is super popular so between the run collectors, the key collectors and the Hydro-Man fans of course the issue will spike a bit. I think the durability of Hydro-Man's first appearance after his weak "appearance" in Far From Home proves that the spike is more based on people being reminded of a character they always liked rather than people thinking he's got some role to play in the MCU going forward. I don't think it counts as spec anymore but just my opinion

As far as strange spec... the prices on Spectacular Spider-Man #98, the first appearance of the Spot, have blown up because of speculation that he'll be the main villain in the next Enter the Spiderverse movie. I have moved almost 10 copies of that book for $30 - $80 depending on condition in the last 10 days or so. I had a bunch of copies because I always thought Spot was a cool character with a cool character design even though he became a joke character eventually. I actually used to give away copies to friends that weren't really fans of comics because it was a $1 first appearance so I always scooped multiple copies out of bargain bins... I'm keeping my nicest copy for myself because I still think the Spot is a cool character but...

There is no stinkin' way the Spot will ever be the MAIN villain of Enter the Spiderverse 2. I think he would be a brilliant character to include because he is really visually compelling but this sounds like a setup for Kingpin to return early in the film, the Spot to be his new henchman, and some other villain being the main villain. The first Enter the Spiderverse had a ton of villains. This one will have a bunch too. I would love to see the Spot in the movie and I hope that's true but there's no damn way he's the main villain.

Spectacular Spider-Man #98 will be a .25-$3 book again in another 12 to 18 months. I'll buy up another stockpile of copies when it craters but I couldn't pass on moving those last week lol 

Actually, I do believe that the ASM Annual 16 will be sustainable because of these facts... the 'character' played a (semi) major role in CM 1 (MCU), the character played a major role in WandaVision (Origin, etc...), the character is presumed to be part of the storyline in CM2 (MCU), Teyonah Parris is absolutely relatable and lovable as Captain Marvel / Spectrum / Photon.

To me that all equals sustainability. 

 

 

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I just realized that the last thing I posted was not a fact but an opinion. To me, Parris is a relatable and lovable character.

Apologies...

On 2/27/2021 at 11:37 AM, BoogieWoogie said:

I guess I get to play contrarian today (:

I don't think the Rambeau hype will be stable but I'm trying to get my minty ASM Annual 16 graded and out of my hands before that happens. Which I don't think will be for a while. I just sold a copy of Giant Size Captain Marvel #1 for $50 and that book was literally a free throw in with an order I made years ago.

As for Harley I think the book was just undervalued before. Harley has a great character design and is super popular. Margot's adaption has been popular despite the films themselves being stinkers so why wouldn't her first appearance be in high demand? And as popular as Harley is among even people that barely know about comics why would it ever substantially recede? Harley is one of the very most popular new characters out of the 90s. As someone that grew up in the 90s... we're just entering our early 30s and having expendable income. I don't think that book is going anywhere. If anything it has a lot of room to grow, IMO.

Madame Web was huge in the Spider-Man animated series and Hydro-Man is just a cool character that some fans like. I'm one of them, honestly. I always liked Sandman so of course I dig Hydro-Man. And I think his everyman character design to cement the Sandman parallel is great. I am actually trying to find a NM+ copy of 212 at a good price and have been for a while.

All of these Z-list characters have fans, even absent of movie hype. I have like 5 copies of ASM #110 because I actually like the Gibbon. I think the Grizzley is lame but I am sure some people are drawn to him. Or Mindworm. Or Mirage. Or Will O' Wisp. The Hydro-Man is just because people like Hydro-Man and Spider-Man is super popular so between the run collectors, the key collectors and the Hydro-Man fans of course the issue will spike a bit. I think the durability of Hydro-Man's first appearance after his weak "appearance" in Far From Home proves that the spike is more based on people being reminded of a character they always liked rather than people thinking he's got some role to play in the MCU going forward. I don't think it counts as spec anymore but just my opinion

As far as strange spec... the prices on Spectacular Spider-Man #98, the first appearance of the Spot, have blown up because of speculation that he'll be the main villain in the next Enter the Spiderverse movie. I have moved almost 10 copies of that book for $30 - $80 depending on condition in the last 10 days or so. I had a bunch of copies because I always thought Spot was a cool character with a cool character design even though he became a joke character eventually. I actually used to give away copies to friends that weren't really fans of comics because it was a $1 first appearance so I always scooped multiple copies out of bargain bins... I'm keeping my nicest copy for myself because I still think the Spot is a cool character but...

There is no stinkin' way the Spot will ever be the MAIN villain of Enter the Spiderverse 2. I think he would be a brilliant character to include because he is really visually compelling but this sounds like a setup for Kingpin to return early in the film, the Spot to be his new henchman, and some other villain being the main villain. The first Enter the Spiderverse had a ton of villains. This one will have a bunch too. I would love to see the Spot in the movie and I hope that's true but there's no damn way he's the main villain.

Spectacular Spider-Man #98 will be a .25-$3 book again in another 12 to 18 months. I'll buy up another stockpile of copies when it craters but I couldn't pass on moving those last week lol 

Actually, I do believe that the ASM Annual 16 will be sustainable because of these facts... the 'character' played a (semi) major role in CM 1 (MCU), the character played a major role in WandaVision (Origin, etc...), the character is presumed to be part of the storyline in CM2 (MCU), Teyonah Parris is absolutely relatable and lovable as Captain Marvel / Spectrum / Photon.

To me that all equals sustainability. 

 

 

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I agree that ASM Annual 16 has definitive staying power as I believe they want her, Captain Marvel and eventually will introduce Kamela Khan as part of a trio of Captain Marvels to be used in a film sometime down the line. At the very least a passing of the torch will occur. 
 

As for other books with staying power from Wandavision? I think the last episode might allow for 1 mayyybbee 2 more to retain some value. But even a book like FF94 I feel will go from being a book people paid $300-500 in higher grade, down to a more respectable $100 or so.

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I am glad that such a topic has finally appeared and I can pour out all my rage on speculators and those who buy from speculators (although, most likely, they are speculators themselves). I hope my English is enough to explain everything: I hate all the "keys" where a character from films, games, cartoons first appeared. That is, the character was already known, but for some reason the comics where this character first appeared are considered desirable and expensive. The Star Wars comics are a prime example of this.
You see, for me the first appearance of a character is a whole history and culture. When I buy a Silver Age comic strip, where a famous character first appeared, I imagine how people first reacted to it and what thoughts they had in their heads. And when the character was already known and he appears in comics only because the owners of the franchise want to cover the entire market, then this is super stupid. Do speculators and collectors think that any first comic book appearance should be valued at the level of some Amazing Fantasy # 15?
And I just wildly hate all modern pseudo-keys, where a completely unknown character appears for the first time, but people are immediately like this: 100% he will become an important character in the comics and in a few years a movie will be announced with him. Moreover, this happens even with those characters who were invented literally for extras for a couple of episodes. This is reminiscent of the situation in the 90s, when publishers printed a bunch of first issues, and 12-year-olds bought, because the first issue of Spider-Man is very appreciated, which means that the first issue of the 90s will be appreciated decades later. Moreover, in Russia a lot of people are ready to buy these pseudo-keys, thinking that all the hype around them is created by collectors, and not speculators. And the most ordinary collectors buy them from us. Of course, in the United States, some collectors purchase these pseudo-keys, but they do it deliberately, and in my country people just think that since there is a lot of hype around this comic, then it is super cool and must be bought immediately for any money

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On 2/26/2021 at 9:23 PM, serling1978 said:

Comic related movies and tv shows making books nobody gave two poops about into sudden "keys" for a brief time has unnecessarily annoyed me for a while. One current example is ASM Annual 16. Just because a character is in Wandavision now everyone has to own an issue that was regularly passed over at half price books not that long ago for the asking price of 50 cents. 

Personally one that I find extra annoying is the first appearance of Harley Quinn. Maybe it's because it's a kids cartoony book and I don't remember anyone caring about it at all prior to the terrible Suicide Squad movie. I'm sure there is a core of DC collectors who legitimately valued that book before the movie blew it up, but it feels like a huge bandwagon book to me. Just my irrational opinion. 

What movie based keys get you all riled up? 

That book had already gone up a bunch because of Captain Marvel as it was assumed some Rambeau with powers would be showing up eventually. If we're in a world where 1st apps are chased, it should have always been worth something. this was a character that was around quite a bit in the 80s and 90s, but was never pushed as "sexy," so fanboys weren't interested, and even then fanboys often don't care. 

Harley Quinn's first appearace popped long before suicide squad. Way before, It popped when her comics started to sell well. 

"Personally one that I find extra annoying is the first appearance of Harley Quinn. Maybe it's because it's a kids cartoony book and I don't remember anyone caring about it at all prior to the terrible Suicide Squad movie." but that's the character. she got popular due to a cartoony cartoon. and so far her best version has been in caley cuoco cartoon. 

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14 hours ago, comicginger1789 said:

Wandavision has caused more books than ever to spike I feel.

First Mephisto, first Grim Reaper, first Agatha Harkness, first Wonder Man, first Nexus, first Modred, first Chthon, first Immortus, first Monica Rambeau, first Darkhold, first Wandas kids, first Arcanna, first SWORD, first White Vision.

All books that you could have had in decent shape for maybe $500-700 if you tried to buy them all. Now? Insanity that people are paying what they are for some of these. Who are these people? Are they thinking they are getting the next big book? Do they not realize in the month or two after Wandavision, more than half those books are gonna plummet hard? Do they see Agatha Harkness and think “oh lord yes my favourite character of all time FINALLY getting her dues!”

Or am I the one missing out 😳

It will be interesting to see how speculators treat books tied to subsequent Marvel shows should prices for most of the above books drop after WandaVision ends...

If enough people get burned chasing these books, will they change their behavior? I'm guessing probably not... :smile:

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1 hour ago, silverseeker said:

It will be interesting to see how speculators treat books tied to subsequent Marvel shows should prices for most of the above books drop after WandaVision ends...

If enough people get burned chasing these books, will they change their behavior? I'm guessing probably not... :smile:

Doesn't stop people from speculating on stock. And people really lose their shirt there. Hasn't closed casinos yet either. People love to gamble. The high of a win will keep people chasing as they lose 10x the value of that win.

Can't forget that there are big winners too. I have an AM16 that I feel positive will grade at 9.4+. I'm sure it'll be back in my hands before Captain Marvel 2. And anyone else that snapped up copies of AM16 when they saw Rambeau in the trailer should have a shot to win too. But yeah some of these WandaVision books are surefire stinkers in 2 or 3 months if that lol 

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1 hour ago, silverseeker said:

It will be interesting to see how speculators treat books tied to subsequent Marvel shows should prices for most of the above books drop after WandaVision ends...

If enough people get burned chasing these books, will they change their behavior? I'm guessing probably not... :smile:

Marvel would be smart to have a show that brings in different characters so that they aren't one and done. maybe WHAT If will go there. keep the IP alive, so if things develop. DC shows were good about that and DC has definitely been WAY ahead of marvel in generating reasonably high quality animated movies very regularly. those don't create the same sort of buzz, but folks who don't read comics can see the B and C listers and now millions of HBOmax subscribers will know them if they watch these cartoons.

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17 minutes ago, BoogieWoogie said:

Doesn't stop people from speculating on stock. And people really lose their shirt there. Hasn't closed casinos yet either. People love to gamble. The high of a win will keep people chasing as they lose 10x the value of that win.

Can't forget that there are big winners too. I have an AM16 that I feel positive will grade at 9.4+. I'm sure it'll be back in my hands before Captain Marvel 2. And anyone else that snapped up copies of AM16 when they saw Rambeau in the trailer should have a shot to win too. But yeah some of these WandaVision books are surefire stinkers in 2 or 3 months if that lol 

These got out of the bargain bins with Captain Marvel. Everyone knew they weren't just going to name drop Rambeau and drop her. Marvel has diverse, 40 year old characters, they're going to use them. She won't get her own movie or show, necessarily, though I could see her being a leader in a group effort type show (Agents of Sword or whatever)

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On 2/28/2021 at 9:37 PM, BrooksR said:

Remember when the issue where Cap picks up Thor’s hammer was like $75?  That was pretty silly  :eyeroll:

Ugh, good one. Forgot about that. And that reminds me of  the ridiculous spike for Avengers 223 just because a scene in a movie kind of resembled the cover of that book.  I think that one has definitely crashed back down to earth. 

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Specific books notwithstanding, my pet peeve is when people start to inflate prices just because a film has been announced, but before it actually goes into production (or, worse, when the rights are optioned!). It indicates a serious lack of understanding about how the film industry works. Most of those purported movies never get made at all, but that doesn't stop excited Ebay posters from declaring "film coming!" and doubling the prices on things.

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4 hours ago, silverseeker said:

It will be interesting to see how speculators treat books tied to subsequent Marvel shows should prices for most of the above books drop after WandaVision ends...

If enough people get burned chasing these books, will they change their behavior? I'm guessing probably not... :smile:

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