Buzzetta Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 4 hours ago, Mickey7 said: I had my childhood copy of this book available. It looks like this page was the 1st Roadblock and Duke appearance and they were not on any prior pages in the book. They introduce themselves to the rest of the Joes on pages that follow. I was tracking the OA for this page, and thought I had a shot at $3,000 or so. Shocked it went for over $12,000 even with the 1st appearances. Great page though. You and I must have been battling it out early on. If that was you, then once I placed a bid to outdo yours, I was immediately beaten and it started to go back and forth within a minute to $8000... I expected the page to hit around $5000, but like I said above, I know of a couple of collectors that most likely would have done anything to get that page. One of them is in the vintage GI Joe toy collecting group on facebook so I am wondering if he picked it up. Twanj 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzetta Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 5 hours ago, Will_K said: Out of curiosity, how many of us would take a serious run (i.e. at auction) at an animation cel or animation pencil drawing from Harley Quinn's 1st appearance in BTAS ?? I generally have little interest in cels unless they're relatively cheap. The flaking paint or shrinking cels seems scary. I can go for a decent animation pencil drawing, again if they're kind of cheap. It's one of the very reasons that you state that I have picked up a few vintage Mickey pencils rather than the cels. I am nervous about buying a 80 year old cel. Also keep in mind that the original art would be considered the pencils from the actual artists assigned to the films while the completed cels were done by the ink and paint departments composed of the women (who were not allowed to be animators) and animation assistants and trainees. Twanj 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey7 Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 6 hours ago, Buzzetta said: You and I must have been battling it out early on. If that was you, then once I placed a bid to outdo yours, I was immediately beaten and it started to go back and forth within a minute to $8000... I expected the page to hit around $5000, but like I said above, I know of a couple of collectors that most likely would have done anything to get that page. One of them is in the vintage GI Joe toy collecting group on facebook so I am wondering if he picked it up. Actually I never did get any bids in. I was tracking with the intent to bid near the end, but bids got too high for me to even participate. Buzzetta 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exitmusicblue Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 Are kids into a newfangled GI Joe these days? Real question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timely Posted April 14, 2021 Author Share Posted April 14, 2021 Looks like I’ll have to be happy with the 3 GI Joe covers I have, probably priced out going forward! MagnusX and Buzzetta 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzetta Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 21 minutes ago, Timely said: Looks like I’ll have to be happy with the 3 GI Joe covers I have, probably priced out going forward! That cover benefitted from the Wolverine Snake Eyes tax. There is another cover out there that the seller wants $8k for a non Snake Eyes cover. He will probably use the sale to increase the price but no one was buying at $8k so.... yeah... So it definitely depends on the character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Buzzetta Posted April 14, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 14, 2021 36 minutes ago, exitmusicblue said: Are kids into a newfangled GI Joe these days? Real question. The short response: No, and it is a problem that Hasbro has faced since 2012. The long response: Hasbro is trying to market their product to the kids but they are honestly failing at every level. The Snake Eyes movie is a make or break moment for the next several years as they are fortunate to get another chance within the decade. GI Joe Retaliation was released in 2013 but was scheduled for 2012. Upon the eve of the release the stores were already flooded with toys geared toward kids. They offered role play items, included interactive toys with spring loaded mechanisms, and even reduced the articulation to meet a lower price point on certain figures so that parents would find the offerings as attractive as the kids. Then they realized that Retaliation was going to be a BAD movie. So, Paramount and Hasbro pushed it back a year for reshoots and to reformat it in 3D as a hope to be a box office draw. Remember how I said that the comic art is more about the toys and characters than the toys? Yeah... same thing with the movies. Without movie support, the toys were allowed to sell out if they were already on the shelves or they were sent back to the warehouse. Stores like Toys R Us, Walmart, Target and online stores like Amazon and BBTS did not place any further orders until the movie had a firm release date. The best toys of the run were in the second half and third wave assortments which were not ordered as heavily. When the movie did come out there was really not a lot of product to support it. The first wave offerings were long gone or were shipping in limited quantities. By the time the stores ordered and received and put product on shelves the movie already in the theaters and was not the success they had hoped. The line started to die. Hasbro tried to appeal to collectors with the 50th Anniversary collection through TRU. The 50th Anniversary collection lasted through the 52nd anniversary collection as well. The 50th Anniversary line stayed on the shelves and clearance'd out. Hasbro stopped producing figures at retail in 2016. The only place to get GI Joe figures was through the collector's club and those were $40 each. With a four year absence, GI Joe was not available on toy shelves until they increased the size to 6" and that in itself has been a screw up of epic proportions. Walmart and Target did not have a lot of faith in the line and under-ordered figures which disappointed many prospective buyer's. The Target exclusives are of very popular characters such as Baroness and Beachhead and are impossible to find. The reintroduction of the 3.75" line is also hard to find as that is a Walmart exclusive. If you cannot lock in a preorder you are not finding them. This has caused collectors to abandon the line. When you cannot buy the item, eventually you lose interest in trying to buy the item. So here we are in 2021 and Hasbro revealed the upcoming lines. There is a 6" line with 9 points of articulation to be offered as a lower price point for kids. There is also a 6" line geared toward collectors priced at $22.99 each. There is no word on 3.75" figures and vehicles to support the movie. So... we will know if GI Joe get's another chance at life this summer or if it goes away again. If the kids don't embrace the product like they do Transformers then that's another nail in the coffin for the line. RBerman, onlyweaknesskryptonite, Will_K and 5 others 4 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John E. Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 G.I. Joe, like comics in general, are going to popular within a certain generation and nothing after that. Unless, the moods and definition of patriotism change, it's hard to hock a toyline that is essentially pro-war. If anyone remembers my previous avatar, I'm a big Joe fan, so I'm not trying to bash here. As far as the new toyline, Buzzetta hit the nail on the head. I was fortunate enough to grab a 3.75" re-issue of Snake Eyes off the shelf at Wal-Mart only because it had flaws on the card and nobody wanted it. Then it was impossible to find the other and I wasn't going to pay $70 on the after market. I was also underwhelmed by the 6" line. It just wasn't the same magic that I remember. Early pages from G.I. Joe very hard to come by and you take what you can get. Artist on the book don't matter as much in general, but I'm not a fan of the Marshall Rogers stuff I've seen out there and anything that looks 90s. I was fortunate enough to snag this page from the same issue from the topic at hand from Bechara's art show in November of 2019 before everything went nutso. I thought I had paid the heavy Bechara premium on it back then, but it doesn't sound so stupid now. As an aside, an early Trimpe page sold at the last HA signature for about $4,000. Buzzetta 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Buzzetta Posted April 14, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 14, 2021 (edited) 29 minutes ago, John E. said: I was fortunate enough to snag this page from the same issue from the topic at hand from Bechara's art show in November of 2019 before everything went nutso. I thought I had paid the heavy Bechara premium on it back then, but it doesn't sound so stupid now. As an aside, an early Trimpe page sold at the last HA signature for about $4,000. at the Bechara premium. I thought that I was out of my mind for paying $800 to Bechara for this years ago, but Clutch and the Vamp was the first GI Joe toy I had so that was a must purchase. I thought it was nuts to pay him $600 for the Zartan page as well but I knew that this was a memorable scene. The Zartan page is one of the three that I have been asked to sell as it features the transformation sequence that they later made an exclusive convention three pack of. Clutch is currently framed and Zartan is not going anywhere either. Edited April 14, 2021 by Buzzetta Benedict Judas Hel, ngh81, BuraddoRun and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolvergeek Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 Great pages Buzzetta! Love that Zartan transformation page. I just picked up the convention morphing set figures this week! I put a watch bid of $1800 on the page but wasn't really a player on it as I already have a couple pages from issue #22. I was shocked to see that final price! Vosburg's art is my least favorite from the early run as I think some of the heads are drawn weird like Roadblock's. I had heard that he hated the art himself for his run on GI Joe. Also the cover final price! I'm not a fan of the issues in the 100's but do like Trimpe. Still $19k is Zeck cover territory, or it used to be. Glad I got my cover to #25 last year! John E. and Buzzetta 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Timely Posted April 14, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted April 14, 2021 My meager collection, only 4 pieces but I love them all! eee91, dirtymartini1, Benedict Judas Hel and 7 others 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post fsumavila Posted April 15, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 15, 2021 (edited) I learned more about the GI Joe art market in this thread than I have in nearly 20 years as a collector.... Edited April 19, 2021 by fsumavila Buzzetta, Will_K, John E. and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBerman Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 On a related note, I was beside myself with delight when the wonderful sitcom Community did a whole episode homaging the G.I. Joe cartoon and toy advertisements of the 1980s. delekkerste 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blastaar Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 (edited) How does the first 50 issues of Transformers stack up with GI Joe OA, I would imagine pretty comparable in cost and demand? Both of them are hard to come by. Edited April 16, 2021 by Blastaar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John E. Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 14 hours ago, Blastaar said: How does the first 50 issues of Transformers stack up with GI Joe OA, I would imagine pretty comparable in cost and demand? Both of them are hard to come by. About the same, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timely Posted April 16, 2021 Author Share Posted April 16, 2021 (edited) 23 hours ago, Blastaar said: How does the first 50 issues of Transformers stack up with GI Joe OA, I would imagine pretty comparable in cost and demand? Both of them are hard to come by. Only 2 Transformers covers in my collection. Edited April 17, 2021 by Timely Benedict Judas Hel and BuraddoRun 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comiconxion Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 On 4/15/2021 at 6:43 PM, Blastaar said: How does the first 50 issues of Transformers stack up with GI Joe OA, I would imagine pretty comparable in cost and demand? Both of them are hard to come by. I would actually say that there is a lot more demand for the first 50 Joe issues than Transformers and thus prices on Joes are higher. Pages from the original four issue Transformers mini-series pages stack up against early Joe pages, but the later ones don't. Same with covers. Outside of pages from the mini-series, I haven't seen Transformers pages consistently selling over $2k. At this point, I'd say most decent Joe pages under issue #30 would sell for $2k+. John E. and Sideshow Bob 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mephisto Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 (edited) On 4/13/2021 at 1:51 PM, Timely said: This is page 18. Is it their first appearance page in the book or are they on many pages previous to this page? I actually read that issue this week (I’m reading the Marvel run in order) and yes that’s their very first appearance. They blow the Cobra Plane out of the sky at the funeral for General Flagg and then are introduced to the Joe team. Edited April 18, 2021 by Mephisto John E. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blastaar Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 I guess I never realized how little art Hama did for the series. But if I recall most of the Marvel series was his brain child, correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mephisto Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Blastaar said: I guess I never realized how little art Hama did for the series. But if I recall most of the Marvel series was his brain child, correct? He scripted most of the issues. Out of the first 25 issues I’ve read he scripted I believe all of them and only did layouts for issue 21. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...