jimbo_7071 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 2 hours ago, path4play said: This one too. From what I remember, there was a high-grade (9.4ish?) copy of that issue that wasn't able to be slabbed because of an overhang. (The Crippen copy, maybe?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lions Den Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 1 hour ago, N e r V said: Can you explain the differences now between bone white Snow White and Whitey white? Maybe when I'm done laughing... greggy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lions Den Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 3 hours ago, Inaflash said: That’s because they’re all dead. greggy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lions Den Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 1 hour ago, N e r V said: You really like those clapping hands don’t you… I like that they're described as a "Golf Clap.." greggy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Timely Posted May 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 13, 2021 4 hours ago, Gatsby77 said: Here's an interesting case study. Detective Comics # 120 (probably my favorite Penguin cover). The Promise collection issue is tied for highest graded at 9.6 (white pages). https://comics.ha.com/itm/miscellaneous/detective-comics-120-the-promise-collection-pedigree-dc-1947-cgc-nm-96-white-pages/p/7244-175054.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515 The other 9.6 is the Twilight Pedigree issue, which sold in March 2019 for $8,900. (Off-white pages) The Church (Mile High Copy) is a mere 9.4 and sold a decade ago (when it was the then highest-graded) in Dec. 2010 for $17,750. The Twilight copy is currently for sale via Heritage BIN / Make-an-Offer for $17,500 (a bit less than the inferior Mile High copy sold back in 2010). See here: https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/detective-comics-120-highest-graded-twilight-pedigree-dc-1947-cgc-nm-96-off-white-pages/i/800095942.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515 So what's the Promise Collection 9.6 copy worth? What does the presence of now two 9.6s do to the value of the Mile High 9.4? What's the Mile High copy worth today (pre-Promise Collection sale) now that the Twilight copy sold for 1/2 as much? I owned the MH copy of Detective Comics #120 for a long time, bought it directly from Gary Carter. It had a VERY white cover, significantly better than the Twilight!!! Larryw7, lou_fine, tth2 and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lou_fine Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, sfcityduck said: Promise copy has a dust shadow left top edge, a bit rough right top edge, and is misaligned/miscut with the Superman circle top cut off and blank paper below the image bottom right: What is this............are you doing a rewrite of the grading definitions for VF/NM here in preparation for Overstreet's new guide? And what the frig is going on with that top staple area for the Promise Collection copy or is this simply just nothing more than CCS's signature confirmation mark that additional revenue has already been generated from this book and this defect signature should therefore be taken into consideration accordingly by the graders. Bottom-line: After careful visual consideration and since I am not a label chaser, I would take the Mile High copy since the cover looks pretty white to me and presents nicely as compared to the Promise copy with that misaligned cut along the top which is a definite eyesore, plus you can never go wrong with a Church pedigree since it's the absolute top rung of the pedigree ladder: Edited May 13, 2021 by lou_fine The Lions Den 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lou_fine Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, onlyweaknesskryptonite said: I am wondering if there is a Punch #12 in there. 6 hours ago, onlyweaknesskryptonite said: Since Greggy is all confused again. I will clarify my question/statement. Does anyone know if there is a Punch Comics #12 in this collection? Other than 1 restored book at 8.5 the current top census is the Crowley 8.0 that sold on Heritage in 2002 for just over $2,530 then again in 2018 for $55,000 Well, since no one else has bothered to answer your question here, I will try to fathom a guess and say "Yes", there should most likely be a Punch 12 in there since this would be from the prime 1945/46 time period. I guess we can only wait and see to find out though. My best guess though is that it's pretty likely considering that they already have a copy of Punch 19 in there, with the 2 problem staple areas and that fugly looking spine as per usual: https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/punch-comics-19-the-promise-collection-pedigree-chesler-1946-cgc-nm-96-off-white-to-white-pages/p/7244-175062.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515 With respect to the Punch run, I believe the only ones they might not have in there might be Punch 1 and 2 since it's prior to 1943, and even if they did, might not be in the usual "high grade" condition that the majority of the Promise books would be in. Edited May 13, 2021 by lou_fine The Lions Den 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lou_fine Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, buttock said: The promise copy looks the best to me, the twilight-- while not having a dust shadow-- appears to be a little dirty all over. Or at least tanned. Which is effectively a full book shadow. (lou_fine is already concocting a series of conspiracies to explain how that got a 9.6). It could just be the imaging, but the promise copy appears fresher. Not as much as that copy of Punch Comics 19 from my previous post just up above, that's for sure. Something for you to comtemplate while you lay awake at night thinking about the meaning of life..................."One book's defects are another book's pedigree characteristic traits". Another food for thought just for you..............if you are thinking of opting for a Heritage scanned book because of the brightness and freshness of the cover, I most certainly hope that you have a light table at home to view your books, similar to the one that HA has. Edited May 13, 2021 by lou_fine The Lions Den 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onlyweaknesskryptonite Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 1 hour ago, lou_fine said: Well, since no one else has bothered to answer your question here, I will try to fathom a guess and say "Yes", there should most likely be a Punch 12 in there since this would be from the prime 1945/46 time period. I guess we can only wait and see to find out though. My best guess though is that it's pretty likely considering that they already have a copy of Punch 19 in there, with the 2 problem staple areas and that fugly looking spine as per usual: https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/punch-comics-19-the-promise-collection-pedigree-chesler-1946-cgc-nm-96-off-white-to-white-pages/p/7244-175062.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515 With respect to the Punch run, I believe the only ones they might not have in there might be Punch 1 and 2 since it's prior to 1943, and even if they did, might not be in the usual "high grade" condition that the majority of the Promise books would be in. I appreciate the reply. I did see the Punch 19 and that is what lead me to ask of there was a 12. I will be waiting and watching like so many of us to see what books spring from this collection. The Lions Den 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crowzilla Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 6 hours ago, tth2 said: Burn it Like I first said many pages back - this collection stinks. tth2, Larryw7, Badger and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Dowling Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 1 hour ago, lou_fine said: Well, since no one else has bothered to answer your question here, I will try to fathom a guess and say "Yes", there should most likely be a Punch 12 in there since this would be from the prime 1945/46 time period. I guess we can only wait and see to find out though. My best guess though is that it's pretty likely considering that they already have a copy of Punch 19 in there, with the 2 problem staple areas and that fugly looking spine as per usual: https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/punch-comics-19-the-promise-collection-pedigree-chesler-1946-cgc-nm-96-off-white-to-white-pages/p/7244-175062.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515 With respect to the Punch run, I believe the only ones they might not have in there might be Punch 1 and 2 since it's prior to 1943, and even if they did, might not be in the usual "high grade" condition that the majority of the Promise books would be in. In a way, this is kind of exciting. It means my Church Wow 10 is a 9.8, at least! The Lions Den and sfcityduck 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gatsby77 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 3 hours ago, lou_fine said: Something for you to comtemplate while you lay awake at night thinking about the meaning of life..................."One book's defects are another book's pedigree characteristic traits". So...20 years from now, even de-slabbed, collectors will be able to tell books from the Promise Collection due to the tell-tale messed up stables from the pancake pressing? The Lions Den, lou_fine and jimbo_7071 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Timely Posted May 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 13, 2021 6 hours ago, lou_fine said: What is this............are you doing a rewrite of the grading definitions for VF/NM here in preparation for Overstreet's new guide? And what the frig is going on with that top staple area for the Promise Collection copy or is this simply just nothing more than CCS's signature confirmation mark that additional revenue has already been generated from this book and this defect signature should therefore be taken into consideration accordingly by the graders. Bottom-line: After careful visual consideration and since I am not a label chaser, I would take the Mile High copy since the cover looks pretty white to me and presents nicely as compared to the Promise copy with that misaligned cut along the top which is a definite eyesore, plus you can never go wrong with a Church pedigree since it's the absolute top rung of the pedigree ladder: This is not a picture of the Mile High copy, the MH is WAY better. I’ll try and dig up a scan. lou_fine, sfcityduck, The Lions Den and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jimbo_7071 Posted May 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 13, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, Gatsby77 said: So...20 years from now, even de-slabbed, collectors will be able to tell books from the Promise Collection due to the tell-tale messed up stables from the pancake pressing? The Promise Collection will henceforth be known as The Pancake Collection! Edited May 13, 2021 by jimbo_7071 comicjack, Mr. Lady Luck, Larryw7 and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flex Mentallo Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 58 minutes ago, jimbo_7071 said: The Promise Collection will heretofore be known as The Pancake Collection! That's a presscient remark. jimbo_7071, Gatsby77 and SOTIcollector 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Timely Posted May 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 13, 2021 Here is a xerox I took of the MH Det #120. Inks were dripping wet with gloss! The Lions Den, vheflin, woowoo and 12 others 13 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buttock Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 11 minutes ago, Timely said: Here is a xerox I took of the MH Det #120. Inks were dripping wet with gloss! I change my choice! jimjum12, Gotham Kid and Larryw7 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Love Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 17 hours ago, Rip said: One thing I love about that scan is that it actually starts to show the 3 dimensionally LB Cole covers have when they still have their gloss. Something I suspect many have never seen in person. Is this the 9.2 on the census? yes it is The Lions Den 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Love Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 (edited) other reveals Tec 156 8.5 Web of Mystery 1 7.5 Marvel Mystery 63 9.4 Edited May 13, 2021 by Dr. Love ThothAmon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crowzilla Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 32 minutes ago, Dr. Love said: other reveals and - wait for it - Cap 1 3.5 CR-OW you are about 45 pages in the thread late for that reveal sfcityduck, tth2, Gotham Kid and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...