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Canadian National Expo Draws a record 36,753 fans! Thank you!

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Not sure who calls your show the SDCC of Canada, but I'll take your word on that one. It's definitely a big pop culture extravaganza in terms of size and attendance. Very respectable.

 

But... Carl/Darthdiesel's a good guy and he's entitled to crack wise. It's a common concern to forum-ites that there is a growing presence of weapons dealers, strippers/porn stars and dvd bootleggers at US cons, making them less and less of a family experience. You've had some experience with at least one of those areas.

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Kev,

 

"As Peter and I both told you in San Diego we have no control over what CGC's ultimate business decisions are."

 

I disagree with you as you have a significant amount of influence on them in respect to our event. CGC's business with the Canadian National Expo should have no bearing on Paradise, but you guys are friends, and you do alot of business with them, which they wish to protect. I was even willing to let Paradise exhibit on behalf of CGC and reap the profits from it, but that wasnt good enough either.

 

I have bent over backwards to work with you guys...

 

I reiterate, for a deal to be done, both parties MUST bring something to the table for negotiations... You guys have not brought ANYTHING! Even when we (Kev and I) had something going that could have worked, Peter didnt care and shot it down. He will do whatever he wants, how he wants and when he wants, so let it be. When he goes, then maybe we can talk, but until then, it is pointless...

 

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thecollector...

 

Kevin is the only guy that I am willing to talk to there, as I think he is the only one that has a brain... In any good competition, it is the fans that always win... So Im not sure what you mean by your comments...

 

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I mean you are trying to run another con out of business with you business practices. Personally I think this is guerilla tactics. that isn't how the industry should be how about this. You let peter and Kevin set up at your shows as a retailer or on behalf of CGC or both. You plan the customer appreciation show about 3 weeks before or after The Paradise show and both you and Paradise work out a cross promotion agreement. Maybe a way to share guest aswell. Then it would all be good.

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Foolkiller...

 

We may not have the buzz online, but obiously that has no affect on our show, seeing that we got almost 37,000 people... We get the some of comic's biggest stars and it is consistent every year... Giving fans the choice is GREAT from them... Again, im not sure how that is a bad thing... Our fan appreciation event is FREE... So, if anything, we make it possibly for people to hit both shows if needed...

 

Yes Stan Lee is big, and we have tried for him in the past, but we have had stars as big as him, if not bigger... The reason we have not brought him in was because of the high costs for someone like him, and he will not generally sign for more than 1 hour... That is about 200 autographs... We would end up [embarrassing lack of self control] many people off by having him by disappointing the fans who dont get a signature... We would also have to charge big money for his autograph, which I dont think fans will pay...

 

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Sorry Darthdiesel...

thx kev...

 

I thought you were making a serious crack at us... We have NEVER allowed pornstar/strippers in our event, no more sword dealers especially after the fiasco with the big american sword dealer at this show 2 years ago.. and we dont condone bootlegs... We would like to consider our event to have morals and ethics...

 

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They make the decision in the end, not me or Peter.

 

Take-take-maybe give is not really negotiating either.

 

If you feel like discussing this here that's fine. You and I met in Philly because some friends in common thought we could work something out, and you didn't understand why CGC didn't do your show. I talked to Peter and to Harshen and we came to you with a plan for peace because we thought it would be good to bury the hatchet.

 

I proposed that plan to you a week or so later and met you at your office, but you seem to think that in order to get you to stop being aggressive and counter-program against our convention that we must offer something up to you that you did want (and since you don't really want CGC that wasn't an incentive) we didn't settle anything, and never will if that is your position.

 

I told you pretty much from the start that I had nothing to offer except that this would be good for all, for pretty much the same reasons I've outlined in earlier postings.

 

You did counter with a these requests between then and San Diego:

(a) we move to the winter,

(b) we become a two-day show instead of a three-day show and/or

© we concentrate only on legend-style guests and leave the Top 10 guys to you.

 

In exchange for doing this you told me you would consider not being aggressive and might stop counter-programming, provided you and your staff were okay with it. No guarantees though.

 

I listened, I considered it, then ultimately I went to my partner Peter and presented the case. We talked and we ultimately couldn't agree to any of those ideas because any one of those would be more harmful to the convention more than this aggressive scheduling approach of yours, especially if all we got out of it was a promise that you might consider not doing something that you shouldn't be doing in the first place.

 

But honestly, what were we negotiating?

 

You didn't want anything except for the con to go away and I just wanted you to stop being a jerk about the scheduling of your spring show. And for that we are going to completely alter the structure of a well-received and growing event?

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Kev,

 

I would have given you a guaranty if my people were ok with the deal... I just couldnt guaranty it till I spoke to the others... Which I think you can understand...

 

"And for that we are going to completely alter the structure of a well-received and growing event? "

 

I dont understand what you mean by this?

 

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(a) we move to the winter,

(b) we become a two-day show instead of a three-day show and/or

© we concentrate only on legend-style guests and leave the Top 10 guys to you.

 

a) And have to brave the sleet & snow with all my newly purchased collectibles? 893naughty-thumb.gif

 

b)Less time to find those items in the 1st place? 893naughty-thumb.gif

 

c) Well....this idea is just plain retarded. screwy.gif

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Well see If you atleast took show of those suggestions and agreed to them and stuck to your agreement then First people would got to both shows(not that you care) second you would get cross advertising. Third CGC might be more apt to come to your shows. Forth you wouldn't look childish. Now there may not be any more money for you but you never know between the cross advertising and CGC you could potentially get more business. Now keep inmind I am not a CGC employee and couldn't promise that they would attend your show. but if you came to an agreement it would probably make them more apt to.

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It meant that your possible guaranty of not counter-programming against us was not worthwhile enough for us to move/shrink/change the guest content of the Paradise Comicon.

 

The Paradise Comicon has been well-received by comic book fans. Our attendance is also growing.

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thecollector:

 

1. I dont think we have lost any fans, based on our attendance figures.. If we have, it is very minor...

 

2. As much as cross promoting would be nice, it wouldnt be fair to us as our attendance is exponentially higher..

 

3. CGC would be nice but we would be giving up too much for them

 

4. Not concerned with that...

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we have tried for him in the past, but we have had stars as big as him, if not bigger

 

Okay, not trying to be a wise guy here, but who exactly have you had as big as Stan Lee or bigger?

 

There's Jack Kirby (he's dead), John Romita (close, but not as big a deal as Stan -- don't know if you've had him) and maybe Julie Schwartz in terms of importance -- Now -- who exacty have you had?

 

And don't cite that you've had anyone modern -- because there's only a few guys in the history of comics as important as Stan and one of them (will eisner) was also at Peter's show....

 

I have to inquire about this, because sometimes people get subject to hyperbole when they are in the midst of an argument, and this sounds like just that.

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As someone who hasn't been to either show and knows no one involved in either show and really couldn't care less and thinks that Toronto is basically a [embarrassing lack of self control] hole, I must say that it would seem that hsm's show is put on for no other reason then to try and screw the Paradise show.

 

But WTF do I know?

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As someone who hasn't been to either show and knows no one involved in either show and really couldn't care less and thinks that Toronto is basically a [embarrassing lack of self control] hole , I must say that it would seem that hsm's show is put on for no other reason then to try and screw the Paradise show.

 

But WTF do I know?

 

Not much... gossip.gif

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As someone who hasn't been to either show and knows no one involved in either show and really couldn't care less and thinks that Toronto is basically a [embarrassing lack of self control] hole , I must say that it would seem that hsm's show is put on for no other reason then to try and screw the Paradise show.

 

But WTF do I know?

 

Not much... gossip.gif

 

Have they cleaned it up in the last ten years? confused-smiley-013.gif I've only been to two worse places, Buffalo and El Paso.

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As someone who hasn't been to either show and knows no one involved in either show and really couldn't care less and thinks that Toronto is basically a [embarrassing lack of self control] hole , I must say that it would seem that hsm's show is put on for no other reason then to try and screw the Paradise show.

 

But WTF do I know?

 

Not much... gossip.gif

 

Have they cleaned it up in the last ten years? confused-smiley-013.gif I've only been to two worse places, Buffalo and El Paso.

 

Nope

We are still bad.

New York has nothing on us

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