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I'd actually consider sending in the few hundreds of low $$ BA books if they revised the fees. Sadly, it probably has a snow-ball chance in hades.

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Since it is my off night, I fetched Scott his Mochachino with extra foam, got Brad his Garlic Burger and chips , and picked up Brians stupid porno Robe from the cleaners.

 

And yet I still had time to do some grunt work for the Committee. tongue.gif

 

So far the questions posed are:

 

 

 

Could you comment on the time frame of the grading process with a flow chart example. ie. books arrive, books logged, books graded, encapsulated and sent back. I would like to see CGC's time frames exceeded far under the capped requirements. Thanks for your time!!

 

 

 

Will CGC begin using email notification of grades for submissions other than just Collectors Society subs?

 

 

 

I think the first order of business should be continued work on getting rid of shills (including our beloved Wertham since that is a sticking point with some people), and the development of a registration system that minimizes or eliminates the return of banned and/or currently suspended users.

 

 

 

Is it possible for CGC to denote Pedigree books/ and or page quality in the registry sets? Will there be an avenue to look up books online via the serial number to see graders notes/pedigree designations etc.

 

 

Is there any known 100% proven way to prevent shills from returning to a forum, or marketplace, or Ebay??

 

 

Whats the reason for not putting a pedigree notation on later books from the collection. Example: Uncanny X-Men 267 Winnipeg

 

 

 

In other words, because not all 8.5s are exactly the same, the factors that contributed to make the item in question an 8.5 are of vital to the authenticity and history of the comic. Since encapsulation restricts the further examination of the comic, the published findings prior to the process comprise vital knowledge that should be available in an easily accessible format to all potential future owners.

 

 

 

 

1.) With respect to CGC not certifying books with overhang, what type of criteria do they use? For instance, if a GA book is in mid or low grade condition, and already has bent corners, would it be certifed by CGC (since no additional damage will result with the slabbing). I've had books come back ungraded that had very minor overhang, while others with fairly substantial ones were graded. Is there a minimum restriction (1/8, 1/16", etc.)? The only reason I ask this question is so that people don't lose a lot of shipping/insurance fees on a $2K book only for it to come back ungraded due to overhang.

 

2.) What type of process does CGC use for Pedigree verification? To be more specific, what additional information does CGC require as proof that the book is a pedigree. I always assumed that if a major dealer vouched for a book (by including a label), that CGC would accept the pedigree designation. However, I had a recent incident where CGC had suspicions that the book purchased from a dealer was not a pedigree, and would not list it as such on the label. I can completely understand CGC's position on this subject, but I would hate for collectors to purchase multiple raw pedigree books from certain dealers, only to find out 5 years down the line that the leading graders (CGC) in our community do not think the book is a pedigree. I'm just wondering what additional certificates of authenticity CGC would require, in addition to the book meeting certian qualifications, for the book to be designated a pedigree. For instance, there are pedigrees that have no noticeable marks and the certificate is the only thing left to serve as proof.

 

3.) What's the process of adding additional runs to the registry. Can a collector make a request to CGC to include an off-beat Golden Age title on the list if their run is significant?

 

 

 

My question is, going back to the "Manufacturing Gold" thread, there was a book that had a double cover that were switched. CGC found that the book had been disassembled but no other work was evident. Does CGC note the diassembly in the grader's notes? If not, would it consider noting such in the future?

 

 

 

1. I was wondering that if a CGC ever goes back to their database/scans and see if they can detrmine if book that they are about to grade are resubs (pedigree, identifying characteristics, etc). Particularly with pedigree books, don't they get concerned about corruption of their census, particularly in rare or valuable books.

 

2. Has there ever been any consideration to offering a grading service that doesn't include encapsulation, but just results in a report on the books condition (at a reduced fee of coarse)?

 

 

 

Is it possible to use another shipping service other then Fed-Ex to ship to Canada. I have to drive 120 miles into the city to get my books that is why I don't submit more books.

 

 

 

1. In line with FFB I would like to see a restoration graduated scale. Lumping in a book with a quarter sized piece replaced and some other minor work with one with half the cover re-created into extensive is unfair. The Minor, Moderate, Extensive scale smacks of the old days of grading, GD, FN and MT. I would be happy to work with Matt Nelson and provide our recommendations of the scale 1 - 1o if CGC would like.

 

2. Would CGC agree to let Jack Selegue, a noted Chemist perform some tests on the CGC holder to ensure, in fact, that it does not catalyze the browning process on pages with less than white pages?

 

 

 

Any chance of a non-key Bronze-Age grading tier priced at the same level as moderns?

 

 

 

There are tons of nice 15-20-25 centers that could be graded but at $25+ shipping (after the 25% discount) it's too risky. If you get a 9.2/9.0 you can't get your grading fees back selling it most of the time. This would be for books with a overstreet NM value less than $100.

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What is CGC's current policy on designating page quality and have the standards loosened recently from where they were. I had heard of people getting resubs back with PQ improvements and paid little attention until It finally happened to me.

 

I sent in a book that had 2 very distinct page qualities (possibly 2 different paper stocks combined into 1 book the result was some pages completely cream and others completely OW) The original PQ reflected this as Cream to Off White pages. Upon resubbing with the original label I recieved the book back with Off White pages.

 

This kind of disturbs me because I have heard reports of this happening (PQ upgrades) leading me to believe it is not an isolated incident. What changed that caused the book to get the better PQ? How does a book with 2 distinctly different hues get a one PQ listing (OW for all pages instead of Crm to OW)?

 

Next I believe Steve B told me that books with Light Tan in the PQ description are held to a maximum of 8.5 in grade. (Check that fact for accuracy I may have it wrong) Supposing Cream is the new OW then do all of those Light tans become Cream.

If so could sending in all of the 8.5's (because of PQ ceilings) possibly now return 9.+ books. With cream to OW pages that used to be Light Tan to OW?

 

I feel that the PQ scale is an incredibly important standard that shouldn't change over time. It seems to me that I should be able to rely on a book that was slabbed 5 years ago saying cream to off white pages as having the same quality of pages as a book slabbed yesterday with the same designation. Even if I didn't agree with the CGC definition of the specific PQ I feel that consistency is paramount and knowing what a CGC Cream to Off white looks like I could adjust the scale to my liking. When a CGC Cream to Off White becomes a CGC OW it is a little harder to get a feel for what is going on. It also brings up the question of bone white pages.

 

I recently saw a scan of a book from the Central Valley pedigree that had been cracked out. The pages were amazingly white. CGC noted them as white on the slab. On the same note I got a book back that I scaned and looked at before submission. The pages were supple but had a light cream hue to them ( I figured they'd get a Crm to OW). They graded at Off-White to White (even with the slight yellow/cream color). My thought is that there have to be books in between these 2 pages qualities but there are no designations left to differentiate them. It seems like the floor is getting raised up and the higher page qualities are bumping their heads on the ceiling, causing wider ranges in PQ levels.

 

Sorry for the long list but PQ is a very important issue for many Golden-Age collectors (myself included) and the difference between Cream to OW pages and the beginings of tanning can be a large problem in long term investment. CGC is a great tool for collectors and I would love to see them even better so I hope they can comment on theses PQ issues.

 

Also if anyone else has an experience or further comment on this I would love to add on to this topic.

 

-CW

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Just out of curiosity, what do they do with all the bags/mylars/mylites and types of backing boards?

 

They melt them down and add them to the statue-of-liberty-sized statue of NewtSamson that they're erecting behind the CGC office building.

 

Next question?

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Just out of curiosity, what do they do with all the bags/mylars/mylites and types of backing boards?

 

They get recycled here at CGC. Often times books are submitted that require rebag and boarding.

 

West

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umm, I got a question:

 

how is this thread different from the ASK CGC folder? Wasnt the Liason Committee supposed to serve as, well, a liason between postes and Steve/CGC during crises? If all these questions are answered here, great. But Im confused, and would hate to see the Liason committee get sidetracked or mis-applied for question and answer stuff that CGC already created a forum to deal with. It would IMO water down the whole special purpose of the thing.

 

no?

 

I'm not going to try to be a stand in for CGC and answer any questions posted in this thread. I represent the boardmembers, not CGC and I don't presume to know what their answers would be, or even if I did, what kind of elaboration Steve might have which could further clarifiy a particular question.

 

For example, Adams's first question was in regard to books from a particular period, with regard to a paricular form of work done on them. I'll be happy to ask Steve that specific question when it's my turn to talk to him.

 

I think that in a weekly thirty minute phone call, Steve would have plenty of time to get to a lot of these questions. Maybe not all of them in one week....but hopefully it won't be crisis-management situations every week. And of course, if someone like Timely wants to chime in with an answer here in the thread, that's even better.

 

Brad

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umm, I got a question:

 

how is this thread different from the ASK CGC folder? Wasnt the Liason Committee supposed to serve as, well, a liason between postes and Steve/CGC during crises? If all these questions are answered here, great. But Im confused, and would hate to see the Liason committee get sidetracked or mis-applied for question and answer stuff that CGC already created a forum to deal with. It would IMO water down the whole special purpose of the thing.

 

no?

 

I'm not going to try to be a stand in for CGC and answer any questions posted in this thread. I represent the boardmembers, not CGC and I don't presume to know what their answers would be, or even if I did, what kind of elaboration Steve might have which could further clarifiy a particular question.

 

For example, Adams's first question was in regard to books from a particular period, with regard to a paricular form of work done on them. I'll be happy to ask Steve that specific question when it's my turn to talk to him.

 

I think that in a weekly thirty minute phone call, Steve would have plenty of time to get to a lot of these questions. Maybe not all of them in one week....but hopefully it won't be crisis-management situations every week. And of course, if someone like Timely wants to chime in with an answer here in the thread, that's even better.

 

Brad

 

personally, i'd like the committee to prioritize the questions/issues for discussion and raise them to Steve in that order. in that way, not too many issues will get discussed each week in the committees report back to the forum members.

 

heck i'd be happy to see just one or two topics handled in some depth so that there becomes a clear understanding of the issue. some of the topics put forth so far seem quite worthy of discussion and others not-so, IMHO. (so the committee could decide what issues have the broadest appeal and take them up with steve in that order).

 

* I, for one, would like to get an in-depth commentary on the Green Label, which to this day has me befuddled.

 

* i'd also like some in-depth commentary on PQ which seems to be an issue around which there is little consistent knowledge.

 

* the oft-discussed but never implemented Grader's notes on-line.

 

* the future of the graded restoration scale.

 

* the status (if any) of the oft-discussed Scan Data Base (perhaps just for Keys), to enable CGC to possibly assist in determining the likelihood of book manipulation.

 

there are, of course dozens of others and hopefully over time and with patience, they can all be addressed.................... thumbsup2.gif

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I think the approach of prioritizing them ahead of time for Steve is a great idea, Harry.

 

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I think the approach of prioritizing them ahead of time for Steve is a great idea, Harry.

 

Brad

 

Wasn't that was the main reason for making this comittee?

 

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I think the approach of prioritizing them ahead of time for Steve is a great idea, Harry.

 

Brad

 

Wasn't that was the main reason for making this comittee?

 

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A looong time ago, at the start of CGC, it was mentioned somewhere in their literature that specific defects would be logged with the notion of - after a while - being able to determine patterns. The stated purpose was to aid collectors to improve how they stored/handled their comics.

 

What has become of this?

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Ok. I got it! if you and FFB feel this will get a LOT of answers quickly and easily from CGC, then thats great!

It will be nice to have a hotline to CGC from now on...

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I feel that the PQ scale is an incredibly important standard that shouldn't change over time. It seems to me that I should be able to rely on a book that was slabbed 5 years ago saying cream to off white pages as having the same quality of pages as a book slabbed yesterday with the same designation. Even if I didn't agree with the CGC definition of the specific PQ I feel that consistency is paramount and knowing what a CGC Cream to Off white looks like I could adjust the scale to my liking. When a CGC Cream to Off White becomes a CGC OW it is a little harder to get a feel for what is going on. It also brings up the question of bone white pages.

 

I recently saw a scan of a book from the Central Valley pedigree that had been cracked out. The pages were amazingly white. CGC noted them as white on the slab. On the same note I got a book back that I scaned and looked at before submission. The pages were supple but had a light cream hue to them ( I figured they'd get a Crm to OW). They graded at Off-White to White (even with the slight yellow/cream color). My thought is that there have to be books in between these 2 pages qualities but there are no designations left to differentiate them. It seems like the floor is getting raised up and the higher page qualities are bumping their heads on the ceiling, causing wider ranges in PQ levels.

 

Sorry for the long list but PQ is a very important issue for many Golden-Age collectors (myself included) and the difference between Cream to OW pages and the beginings of tanning can be a large problem in long term investment. CGC is a great tool for collectors and I would love to see them even better so I hope they can comment on theses PQ issues.

 

Also if anyone else has an experience or further comment on this I would love to add on to this topic.

 

-CW

 

CW put this very well. We can't see what's inside the slabbed book therefore faith in the paper grading system is very important.

 

Dennis

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1. I was wondering that if a CGC ever goes back to their database/scans and see if they can detrmine if book that they are about to grade are resubs (pedigree, identifying characteristics, etc). Particularly with pedigree books, don't they get concerned about corruption of their census, particularly in rare or valuable books.

 

This one has been answered already. The answer is no.

 

They really should consider this. It would be valuable in avoiding many mistakes catching people like Ewert.

 

With respect to forum registration to avoid shills etc. and other forum stuff this should be the duty of Mods and admins and not Steve and his staff and this liaison committee. This is a matter of admins and mods consulting other web and forum admins to determine the solutions. I for one would not want to hand over cash, credit card information or phone numbers to be a public forum member. The worry here is that in order to require such criteria you would first and foremost have to have a very secure server complete with the highest encryption services etc. There is much to consider and balance out and I for one would prefer that Steve and his staff and the liaison committee focus on business and making it better before these forums.

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Ask Steve what magically powers his pony tail gives him

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Ask Steve what magically powers his pony tail gives him

 

and if he has any of those super-slow mo films of it wafting side to side,

like they do in the women's hair coloring commercials..... poke2.gif

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Question for Committee to discuss with Steve Borock: All information I have seen regarding ad space indicates that as space is available to CGC Member Dealers. Is the advertiser "comiccollectorlive.com" a Member Dealer? Is CGC aware that an individual from this company attempted to promote this company on the forum under false pretenses a few months ago?

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