SuperBird Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 I'm of the 'underappreciated' camp. I read it in the late 80's, and thought it was fantastic. It's one of those books I go back to read again and again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffro. Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 I remember it getting a lot of buzz back then but then kinda petered out "at the box office" Never seemed to live up to its potential, but I found it a good read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 I remember it getting a lot of buzz back then but then kinda petered out "at the box office" Never seemed to live up to its potential, but I found it a good read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 I remember it getting a lot of buzz back then but then kinda petered out "at the box office" Never seemed to live up to its potential, but I found it a good read. Pretty sure the question was about Frank Miller's Ronin comic book series and not the move Ronin with Robbert Deniro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ashrael Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 I really liked it. I think I read that the last few issues came out months after the earlier issues, and that caused it to lose a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the blob Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 I thought it was really cool at the time. I just think there was so much hype and speculation, plus, the darn thing was expensive for those days, that it fizzled out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffro. Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 I guess my putting quotation marks around "at the box office" was a bit too analogous for some folks. What I meant was the comic didn't live up to its potential. Much like a hyped movie that bombs at the box office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperBird Posted January 8, 2007 Author Share Posted January 8, 2007 no, i think we all got it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the blob Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 i never really understood why they said this comic bombed, sure it lost a lot of steam in the later issue of the mini, but didn't #1 and #2 have like seven circulations? i trip over copies of ronin 1 at any show i go to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blutobc Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 I'm of the 'underappreciated' camp. I read it in the late 80's, and thought it was fantastic. It's one of those books I go back to read again and again. It was OVERhyped at it's time of release...which took a bit of the enjoyment out of it back then. But after going back and rereading it a couple of months ago, I enjoyed it very much...even understood parts that had originally confused me. So I'll now agree that it was UNDERappreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronty Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 definitely underappreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Surfer Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 Undreappreciated. Was cool stuff to read back in the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronty Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 still is.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tth2 Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 I thought it was absolutely fantastic. I still love the shot where he drives the sword through himself and through the monster. It was definitely a victim of too much hype. Miller was coming off his hugely successful Dark Knight series (which was initially under-ordered, creating a sense of scarcity) and the print run was massive. When the fanboys realized it wasn't a typical superhero story, and the speculators realized they couldn't make any money because everybody and their brother had a copy, it failed to live up to expectations in the primary and secondary sales markets, creating the impression that it was a huge failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexus Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 I thought it was absolutely fantastic. I still love the shot where he drives the sword through himself and through the monster. The OA to that splash is pretty killer, as you can imagine. It was definitely a victim of too much hype. Miller was coming off his hugely successful Dark Knight series (which was initially under-ordered, creating a sense of scarcity) and the print run was massive. When the fanboys realized it wasn't a typical superhero story, and the speculators realized they couldn't make any money because everybody and their brother had a copy, it failed to live up to expectations in the primary and secondary sales markets, creating the impression that it was a huge failure. RONIN came out 3 years before DKR It's been a while since I read it, but as I remember, the feudal Japan stuff worked better than the cyberpunk stuff. At least for me. Still, I did appreciate it for being different. That whole period in the 80's just blew my mind with daring, experimental work. Old Miller can't touch young Miller, sad to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zonker Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 It was definitely a victim of too much hype. Miller was coming off his hugely successful Dark Knight series (which was initially under-ordered, creating a sense of scarcity) and the print run was massive. When the fanboys realized it wasn't a typical superhero story, and the speculators realized they couldn't make any money because everybody and their brother had a copy, it failed to live up to expectations in the primary and secondary sales markets, creating the impression that it was a huge failure. As Nexus pointed out, Ronin preceeded Dark Knight. It was Miller's hugely successful Daredevil run that made Ronin over-hyped, over-ordered, and over-shipped (kind of like John Byrne's Man of Steel). And I believe all those unsold Ronins are precisely the reason the first prints of Dark Knight Returns #1 and #2 sold out: Everyone ordered Ronin as if it were a Miller Daredevil and got burned. So then everyone ordered DKR as if it were Ronin and got burned again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tth2 Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 It was definitely a victim of too much hype. Miller was coming off his hugely successful Dark Knight series (which was initially under-ordered, creating a sense of scarcity) and the print run was massive. When the fanboys realized it wasn't a typical superhero story, and the speculators realized they couldn't make any money because everybody and their brother had a copy, it failed to live up to expectations in the primary and secondary sales markets, creating the impression that it was a huge failure. As Nexus pointed out, Ronin preceeded Dark Knight. It was Miller's hugely successful Daredevil run that made Ronin over-hyped, over-ordered, and over-shipped (kind of like John Byrne's Man of Steel). And I believe all those unsold Ronins are precisely the reason the first prints of Dark Knight Returns #1 and #2 sold out: Everyone ordered Ronin as if it were a Miller Daredevil and got burned. So then everyone ordered DKR as if it were Ronin and got burned again! Yup, you guys are absolutely right, and your analysis is absolutely spot-on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tth2 Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 I thought it was absolutely fantastic. I still love the shot where he drives the sword through himself and through the monster. The OA to that splash is pretty killer, as you can imagine. Yes, it must be mindblowing, particularly as I'd assume it's much bigger than comic size. Who owns it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashrael Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 It's been a while since I read it, but as I remember, the feudal Japan stuff worked better than the cyberpunk stuff. At least for me. Still, I did appreciate it for being different. That whole period in the 80's just blew my mind with daring, experimental work. Old Miller can't touch young Miller, sad to say. I really enjoyed the feudal Japan also and wished that the story stayed there, but I still like it. I guess that is why I liked FM's 300.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
