Heidi on the 'Bay

[heinlein99]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300091587246&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1

 

So, who's going to drop $400 on this little gem?

[Solar]

The auction description is just disturbing.

[Jayman]

The auction description is just disturbing.

 

I'll say...TMI

[brasseye]

The auction description is just disturbing.

 

I'll say...TMI

 

You do get the distict imprssion it's going to arrive with one one of those book plastic 'splash protectors' on it.

[Wrightson fan]

All the pedophiles will love this one......which means I have no use for it.

Lusting after children is both sick and disturbing and if I had the money I would win this book and then post photos of me burning it.

 

Scott

[brasseye]

All the pedophiles will love this one......which means I have no use for it.

Lusting after children is both sick and disturbing and if I had the money I would win this book and then post photos of me burning it.

 

Scott

 

 

Scott I agree wtih the direction of your stance, but don't hate the book for what is for the most part an adolescent infatuation on the part of the seller. The ol judge, jury, executioner, routine only leads to one place my friend.

[Wrightson fan]

All the pedophiles will love this one......which means I have no use for it.

Lusting after children is both sick and disturbing and if I had the money I would win this book and then post photos of me burning it.

 

Scott

 

 

Scott I agree wtih the direction of your stance, but don't hate the book for what is for the most part an adolescent infatuation on the part of the seller. The ol judge, jury, executioner, routine only leads to one place my friend.

 

Thanks for the lecture but save it for someone who has an ounce of tolerance for anything of this nature. I don't, hence my "stance" Obviously if there was enough demand to print an entire magazine devoted to this "girl", then the seller is not the only one with a problem. Therefore, if the book was published to display an underage child in various forms of seductive attire, then yes, I hate the book. Whether the girl of the magazine chose to dress this way in public is not the issue. Printing a magazine about it for perverts to pleasure themselves by is another. It baffles me that you could honestly defend this. I cannot and WILL NOT ever tolerate anything that uses children in this matter, whether it is a Ralph Lauren ad or whatever muck Madison Avenue decides to fling at us. You can say what you will about a moral high horse....but there is no gray area where this and the use of children to sell sex is concerned. I am interested to see how you will defend it once again.

 

Scott

[dzminn]

All the pedophiles will love this one......which means I have no use for it.

Lusting after children is both sick and disturbing and if I had the money I would win this book and then post photos of me burning it.

 

Scott

 

 

Scott I agree wtih the direction of your stance, but don't hate the book for what is for the most part an adolescent infatuation on the part of the seller. The ol judge, jury, executioner, routine only leads to one place my friend.

 

Thanks for the lecture but save it for someone who has an ounce of tolerance for anything of this nature. I don't, hence my "stance" Obviously if there was enough demand to print an entire magazine devoted to this "girl", then the seller is not the only one with a problem. Therefore, if the book was published to display an underage child in various forms of seductive attire, then yes, I hate the book. Whether the girl of the magazine chose to dress this way in public is not the issue. Printing a magazine about it for perverts to pleasure themselves by is another. It baffles me that you could honestly defend this. I cannot and WILL NOT ever tolerate anything that uses children in this matter, whether it is a Ralph Lauren ad or whatever muck Madison Avenue decides to fling at us. You can say what you will about a moral high horse....but there is no gray area where this and the use of children to sell sex is concerned. I am interested to see how you will defend it once again.

 

Scott

 

Well said

[RedRaven]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300091587246&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1

 

So, who's going to drop $400 on this little gem?

 

I thought about it but my zeal for completing a Warren run aint what it once was. I've been more into DC war comics (Enemy Ace!!!) than mags for a couple years now. I wouldnt have gone higher than $250 for Heidi,which means Ill probably never own one.

[RedRaven]

Winning bid: $861

[heinlein99]

Winning bid: $861

 

Zoiks.

 

It's getting to be as valued as FM #1...

[brasseye]

I wouldnt have gone higher than $250 for Heidi,which means Ill probably never own one.

 

What, you wouldn't of paid more for this high quality kiddie porn!

 

According to Wrightson and co, this is the real deal, don't go cheap now on us!

 

What, your saving your dollar's for a warren fanzine, dedicated fan's... you mormon!!

[brasseye]

All the pedophiles will love this one......which means I have no use for it.

Lusting after children is both sick and disturbing and if I had the money I would win this book and then post photos of me burning it.

 

Scott

 

 

Scott I agree wtih the direction of your stance, but don't hate the book for what is for the most part an adolescent infatuation on the part of the seller. The ol judge, jury, executioner, routine only leads to one place my friend.

 

Thanks for the lecture but save it for someone who has an ounce of tolerance for anything of this nature. I don't, hence my "stance" Obviously if there was enough demand to print an entire magazine devoted to this "girl", then the seller is not the only one with a problem. Therefore, if the book was published to display an underage child in various forms of seductive attire, then yes, I hate the book. Whether the girl of the magazine chose to dress this way in public is not the issue. Printing a magazine about it for perverts to pleasure themselves by is another. It baffles me that you could honestly defend this. I cannot and WILL NOT ever tolerate anything that uses children in this matter, whether it is a Ralph Lauren ad or whatever muck Madison Avenue decides to fling at us. You can say what you will about a moral high horse....but there is no gray area where this and the use of children to sell sex is concerned. I am interested to see how you will defend it once again.

 

Scott

 

Well said

 

 

"What we call evil is simply ignorance bumping its head in the dark."

Henry Ford, the London "Observer"

[Wrightson fan]

All the pedophiles will love this one......which means I have no use for it.

Lusting after children is both sick and disturbing and if I had the money I would win this book and then post photos of me burning it.

 

Scott

 

 

Scott I agree wtih the direction of your stance, but don't hate the book for what is for the most part an adolescent infatuation on the part of the seller. The ol judge, jury, executioner, routine only leads to one place my friend.

 

Thanks for the lecture but save it for someone who has an ounce of tolerance for anything of this nature. I don't, hence my "stance" Obviously if there was enough demand to print an entire magazine devoted to this "girl", then the seller is not the only one with a problem. Therefore, if the book was published to display an underage child in various forms of seductive attire, then yes, I hate the book. Whether the girl of the magazine chose to dress this way in public is not the issue. Printing a magazine about it for perverts to pleasure themselves by is another. It baffles me that you could honestly defend this. I cannot and WILL NOT ever tolerate anything that uses children in this matter, whether it is a Ralph Lauren ad or whatever muck Madison Avenue decides to fling at us. You can say what you will about a moral high horse....but there is no gray area where this and the use of children to sell sex is concerned. I am interested to see how you will defend it once again.

 

Scott

 

Well said

 

 

"What we call evil is simply ignorance bumping its head in the dark."

Henry Ford, the London "Observer"

 

So now you are taking to quoting a known racist and Nazi sympathizer who also was quoted as saying, "The International Jew, the World's Foremost Problem". You are not helping yourself with your argument. Care to give up now and cut your losses?

 

Scott

[Fandango]

I don’t want to get into a whole ‘thing’ with either of you fine gents, but enough with the finger pointing already (this really isn’t the place). Question: does anyone actually own a copy of the above mentioned book?

[Wrightson fan]

I don’t want to get into a whole ‘thing’ with either of you fine gents, but enough with the finger pointing already (this really isn’t the place). Question: does anyone actually own a copy of the above mentioned book?

 

 

Fair enough, but I was not the one calling someone out for what they felt was a despicable thing, the exploitation of children. When it comes to something like this I will stand my ground and will not back down. I didn't start this discussion but planned on finishing it. I felt like I was being "talked down" to, therefore I got my hackles up, but am not sorry for it. The discussion can end now as I have said my peace. If it is perpetauted it will not be by me. This topic just hit a very sore spot for me and brings out my anger like no other.

 

Scott

[TonyStarkFan]

They ought to be careful. Chris Hansen from Dateline NBC may be behind that auction.

[drice6900]

I don’t want to get into a whole ‘thing’ with either of you fine gents, but enough with the finger pointing already (this really isn’t the place). Question: does anyone actually own a copy of the above mentioned book?

 

 

Fair enough, but I was not the one calling someone out for what they felt was a despicable thing, the exploitation of children. When it comes to something like this I will stand my ground and will not back down. I didn't start this discussion but planned on finishing it. I felt like I was being "talked down" to, therefore I got my hackles up, but am not sorry for it. The discussion can end now as I have said my peace. If it is perpetauted it will not be by me. This topic just hit a very sore spot for me and brings out my anger like no other.

 

Scott

 

I wonder if Ebay would pull an auction like this if they new what the mag was about?

 

By the way Scott, I am with you on this. Total trash.

[maxstuf]

I bought a collection a few years ago and this Heidi book was in it. I thought nothing of it a the time as it was just another rag , or so I thought.

 

I will have to find that box and check it's condition this summer as I do a complete inventory.

[That Ron Dude]

The way the magazine is often sold is disturbing. The magazine itself, and the memory of Heidi Saha, is even more disturbing.

 

When a copywas sold about a year ago, someone followed it up by trying to sell a photo of her, showing only the upper part of the photo, as though she was naked from the collar bone down. The language in the ad, and I will use that word again, was disturbing.

 

Inside the magazine we find that she was the friend of Forrest J. Ackerman and James Warren. Her father was an SF editor at one of the big New York publishing companies. The magazine was produced and sold with the complete knowledge of her father, who used to take her around to the conventions. In the magazine, Forest J. Ackerman comes off as less than dignified in the eyes of a modern viewer, in his attitude towards a girl perhaps 40 years his junior. Remember, this magazine came out in the early '70's. People looked at things differently back then. Society wasn't as concerned with the sexual exploitation of youth.

 

James Warren had previously published a poster of her dressed as Sheena the Jungle Girl. At one of the Seuling conventions in NY, Warren produced the program booklet. There was a space inside reserved for Heidi's signature.

 

Again, to take you back a few decades, fandom at the time was 100% male except for Paty, Irene Vartinoff and Maggie Thompson. Any other woman at a convention was a dealer's wife. As a group we were physically unappealling-- I don't know any other way to put it civilly and accurately. At these conventions, and there were very few at the time, the guys could be themselves instead of high school nerds that still read comics. We were becoming artists, writers, managers and publishers. Most of did pretty well for ourselves over the years but those were tough times for kids who were into comics. Heidi was a physically beautiful teenager who looked 14 or 15. She seemed completely out of place at the conventions. It seemed that her mere presence changed the mood of the entire dealers room.

 

The story got out about her dad being an editor and that sort of explained it.

 

Eventually, Creation Convention published a program booklet with a poem in it to the metre of "Stairway to Heaven" probably called "Taking her to the Convention" written by Manny Maris. It was a viscious, unfair and very funny attack on Heidi. The last line of it (if my memory serves me well; it was over 30 years ago) was "Seidi... HAHAHAHA". I think that ended her career as the comicon glamour Queen. I would love to be able to read that poem again. Does anyone have it? Manny proudly showed it to me in a hotel room. After laughing for about five minutes, I commented that she was just a little kid who didn't deserve the attack. Manny said that she was a public figure, who had a poster of herself being sold in three national magazines (Creepy, Eerie, Vampiraella). Like any other public figure she was subject to satire.

 

I recently told my wife about the poem and she was quite upset. Her reaction was, "She was spoiling the party,eh?" When I showed my wife the magazine she realized that it was far more complicated than that. She was being exploited by her family like a would-be Brooke Shields. The guys at the conventions didn't want to idolize a kid in Grade Ten for her cuteness. I honestly think we viewed people more than "skin deep" and we wished to be viewed as more than that ourselves. We sure didn't want to be told to put her on a pedestle by Jim Warren, Forry Ackerman and her dad.

 

The story goes, which I can't confirm, that Jim Warren printed 500 copies of the Heidi magazine as a trial balloon to sell at a convention. When it flopped he decided not to go big with a second printing and pulped the unsold issues. There may be under a hundred of these things out there today. I have seen them go for as much as $1025. The cheapest I have seen one go for is just over $600.

 

Was anybody else there who saw it differently?