DoctorWyoming

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  1. Hey, very cool! I was there today too, and it was the busiest, most jammed I've ever seen a convention.

     

    I decided to get something done by Doug Sneyd, who's famous for the Playboy cartoons he did since 1964. He felt a bit disconnected from some of the fans, and he wasn't up on most modern characters, but he was cool. I asked him to do a Black Cat drawing and I had to bring him pictures and provide him with info, but I loved what he did!

     

    Now I'll have to wait till it comes back from CGC

     

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  2. The shill is dishonest... but his shilling won't work if you are honest with yourself first.

     

    Figure out what is a fair price

     

    Bid it.

     

    Accept that it's not yours if the price goes higher.

     

    Now, you tell me, how does a shill bidder hurt you if you follow that method of bidding?

     

     

    I think you're missing a key aspect of the shill, Doc.

     

    I place my $200 bid on an item currently at $50 the day before the auction ends. If the seller now uses a shill account to bid up the price to my $200 max (with no legitimate bidders participating), the seller/shill has effectively stolen money out of my pocket.

     

    You could still be hurt using your last minute bid method if the seller has bid up the price artificially. While you might bid $200 (and think that's a fair price), do you really want to seller extracting every last penny from you with his shill account when you could have won for a lower price?

     

    No, of course not. In fact I'd prefer he send me the book for free. But if his real price is $200, then I either have to accept that price or walk away.

     

    However, what you are talking about here is something different than what I have been discussing. I've been referring to cases where a person is either looking to buy for a low price (and then gets bid up) or someone who gets emotionally involved in a bidding war. You're talking about someone who takes advantage of an early bidder who puts down a maximum bid, (in this case $200), but who would really have preferred to pay say 150. I'd say that you certainly have a point in this case... they are not taking advantage of your greed here, they are breaking a trust. In this case you're not actively involved or directly responsible for overbidding...

     

     

  3. Doc, I re-iterate, I was not invested in this auction. It wasn't me who wanted/missed out on a 150 dollar book for 50.

     

    Fine, but you're being too concrete here. People taken in by shills clearly start out wanting to pick up books cheaper than market value.

     

     

    All I'm saying is that I think shilling is mess.

     

    They are trying to take advantage of you. Agreed.

     

     

    You obviously do not.

    I think it's clear at this point that you really don't know what I'm saying. Not sure why, seeing as I say it over and over.

     

    Instead you think a shill is taking advantage of a buyer's greed. Whereas an alternative viewpoint would be that the shill is actually the one demonstrating greed by pushing for more coin than what the market is dictating.

     

    I think you are missing out on something important. You can't isolate the problem solely in the shill.

     

    In other words, there is no need for an alternative viewpoint when BOTH work together. The shill tries to sucker you in with a low price, then take advantage of your emotions to get you to pay more.

     

    The shill is dishonest... but his shilling won't work if you are honest with yourself first.

     

    Figure out what is a fair price

     

    Bid it.

     

    Accept that it's not yours if the price goes higher.

     

    Now, you tell me, how does a shill bidder hurt you if you follow that method of bidding?

     

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    doh!:facepalm:

     

    I realize how people will misread what I say, because they focus on the unfairness of a shill while ignoring their own role in the problem. Shill bidders take advantage of your own greed and your own irrational responses to being 'outbid'

     

    If you can't set a realistic price and be rational in your purchases, then that's your problem.

     

    But go on blaming the shill..... that'll solve the problem just fine....

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    I see what you're saying. You're saying two things:

    a) You're saying you think it's okay to advertise an item at a price you won't accept and then use deceitful methods to try and push the price up in the hope some gullible guppy will pull the trigger on it in a fit of eBay fever; and

     

    No.

     

    What I am saying is that if someone uses shill bidders, then they were NEVER going to sell you the book at the low price you want to pay. You've uncovered someone who's trying to bait you.

     

     

    So....

     

    It follows that you can only be 'suckered' in if you are looking to steal something at a low price. The shill bidder can only take advantage of your greed, he can only draw you in based on your own irrational responses to shilling.

     

    This is what you should stop worrying about shill bidders and just decide what you want to pay. If you 'overpay' then it's your fault. You're a big boy, blaming a shill bidder is just ignoring your own greed and your own mistakes.

     

     

    Perhaps a way to sum this all up is: buyer beware.

     

     

     

    b) You're saying that you shill.

     

    lol

     

    Nope. Read above.

     

     

    No, in all seriousness, this is our point of difference: You think a book with no reserve does not mean it has no reserve.

     

    No, I mean what I wrote. Is there a point in your responding to my posts if you're just going to re-edit what I actually say into your own personal biased view what you think my intentions are?

     

    Blaming shills is just dodging your own responsibility. Yes, it sucks that you can't really have a 150 dollar book for 50 bucks, but if you're realistic about it from the start you can't really be taken in...

     

     

  6. And why do you shill rather than simply start the bidding at your minimum price point?

     

    Well, if you think about it, the only reason shill bidders bother you is because they prevent you from buying the book at a cheap price, i.e. at a price that was never really being offered in the first place.

     

    Set a realistic price and keep to it, then no shill bidder can ever 'get' you.

     

    No mate, you're way off. Firstly, of course the price was offered in the first place - if the starting bid is $50 with no reserve - then a bid of $50, with no competition, will win the auction.

     

    No, I'm spot on actually. If they have shill bidders, then they were NEVER going to let the book go at 50. That's the point here. The price was never realistic.

     

    You can say that's unfair, but the reality is that even you agree that the price is low... after all, why complain about shill bidding?

     

    That's precisely why I say: set a reasonable price, the one you are willing to pay. If they take that bid, congrats. If not, they were never going to sell the book to you in the first place.

     

    Shill bidding only bothers people who actually expect someone to sell a book at a low, low price.

     

    Think about it

     

     

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    And why do you shill rather than simply start the bidding at your minimum price point?

     

    Well, if you think about it, the only reason shill bidders bother you is because they prevent you from buying the book at a cheap price, i.e. at a price that was never really being offered in the first place.

     

     

    Set a realistic price and keep to it, then no shill bidder can ever 'get' you.

     

     

  8. For Baby Boomers only I suppose. A pre-Gilligan Bob Denver as Maynard G. Krebs Tuesday Weld, and Warren Beatty all had prominent roles in the TV series. Also Zelda had the hots for Dobie later became a city coucilwoman in Los Angeles.

     

    "You rang" was Bob Denver's catchphrase. Great program with a great cast. TheManyLovesofDobieGillis1.jpg

     

     

    I'm 29 years old and I grew up watching this show on Nick at Night. I loved it, so it's not only for the baby boomers. :)

     

    So cool! I'm 48, I watched in reruns years ago.... great show. Bob Denver was great on it too.

  9. I'm kinda lucky actually. I have an absolute FOX who I'm marrying in a couple of months. She just requested that my glass cabinet of Batman Hot Toys be moved from my man cave to the main living room. Now the move has been made, she (at least says that she) loves it.

    She also whole-heartedly supports my comic collecting. When my first SS books arrived a few months ago she actually told me to stop buying raw "" and instead focus on slabs.

     

    :cloud9::luhv:

     

    Cool, my lady is the same way.

     

     

    I'm all for displaying my books.. but I want to rotate them frequently and then store the ones that are not currently displayed in a 100% dark environment. They're all in mylar... so the key bit will be getting them in the dark in a way that I can easily access and enjoy-on-demand.. but still looks okay. (not a long box).

     

     

     

    Yes, I feel the same way. Most collectors buy quality books and then store them in the most unimaginative ways... what a waste. Currently I have some of my books on display with gridwalls, but I want to put everything slabbed/high priced in some nice wood storage units. I will be working with a carpenter later this year to design and build it....

  10. I've tried using a nice wood cabinet I found at a flea market.

     

    Results are: Sorta OK...

     

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    There's cushioning all around the books, you can't tell from the pic.

     

    It looks nice, but it just isn't quite right for the cases...

     

    My next attempt will be to create one with 3 16 inch high drawers... pull forward type (as in the second picture)

     

    You really need to make it solid for CGC encased books. Probably wouldn't hurt to keep the drawers short.

  11. You know, it's always possible that some of us newbies have put more comic boxes together than some of the long term guys..... new to this board certainly does not mean new to collecting.

     

    :applause:

     

    (thumbs u

     

    We're talking about newbies to the board who start threads about stuff that has been covered dozens of times,

     

    Why does this bother people? So there's words on the site you've read before. Ignore the thread, it's always new to someone.

  12. Can anyone explain why the DJANGO figures are dropping in price. I was gonna buy a set of 5 for like $2000, thank god I didn't. Now the set of 5 is selling for $1500... Broomhilda is also dropping..? Why, should I wait ...can anyone explain this...?

     

    Just to help you, I will sell you a set for 2000.

  13. I was bidding on a comic on EBay. The price was low, lower than it should have been with a day left. Next thing I know the book was pulled with an email saying "Book is not available".

    Can you stop an auction because the book is not making enough money for you?

     

     

    Yes. How can you prove what his or her intent was?

  14. Why is it when you post a question on this site, you get 10 insufficiently_thoughtful_person responses.????

     

    This is a great place, but with a serious question, you get 10 foolish responses , people making fun of people, etc...and to finally get a real answer you have to scroll through page after page...Jesus, very annoying..

     

    You're asking why adults who collect comic books are lacking in social graces?

     

    Really?

  15. Thread opened!!

     

    This is an interesting concept. Because I'm a notorious tight- and shipping has just gone up to AU... I've been thinking about building my own versions of something similar in concept to a comic cube.

     

    Has anyone done something like this?

     

    I assume you mean those nice, but pricey, cabinets. I bought myself a nice old wooden file cabinet and pulled out every other drawer. Put a nice rolling door over the spaces and came up with this, on the cheap:

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  16. As sad as it is to say, it's not a hobby without collector interest. Without that, we're just collecting worthless leaves falling from a tree in October. .

     

     

    Yes, I think this sums it up well. A related way of looking at it is to say that what we collect is interesting enough to others that even outsiders want to buy in... if only for the financial aspects.