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Let it go man. Seriously.

Got my sketch today. That was fast.

 

Thanks PL Nomination threat and those that upholds it.

 

 

 

 

Don't think clapping is the appropriate comment... definitely shouldn't have had to come down to this for him to get his book.

 

Glad you got the book finally (thumbs u

 

I was only clapping because I was trying to stay nice

 

I was going to ask him if the slab had dust on it from sitting around waiting to be shipped for so long

Just to answer what you would've asked. No dust on the slab. The USPS box actually smells like flowers.

Got my sketch today. That was fast.

Thanks PL Nomination threat and those that upholds it.

UPDATE:

Adonis has sent me the Fast Track refund. Not just from the Jaro sketch, but two other sketches he has failed to Fast Track. So cool.

Adonis has also provided me with a tracking number. But it says: Your item has left our acceptance facility and is in transit to a sorting facility on February 11, 2013 at 6:08 pm in SOUTH ACWORTH, NH 03607.

NH? I thought he lives in Florida.

Up to you guys what y’all wanna do with his PL status. Personally, it's not a close case for me until I get my sketch, which is what this whole drama was all about. So I’ll update everyone once I receive it. Hope I get it in one piece.

Bare with me as it took awhile to read everyone’s posts since this morning, and it’s taking awhile to QUOTE and reply to everyone’s concern. Heat up some more popcorn coz here we go:

You'll never get me to say publicly. I've seen what happens...no thank you.

I’ve been warned before to just keep my mouth shut and to not say anything bad about certain boardies or facilitators, especially if it’s a case about Adonis who’s The Enforcer of the CGC Sketch Illuminati. Yes I’ve done my research on Adonis and have experienced his kind of service. I’ve gotten PMs from other boardies about delayed sketches. I’ve had other facilitators express their opinion privately mentioning that because of a certain CGC contract, they’re not allowed to say anything negative about a fellow fascilitator :::shrugs:::

Someone needs to read the Signature Series thread before posting people on Probation.

 

Adonis, what would they read there? Is there some form of timeline posted how long the entire process may take?

 

I'm just asking to understand what you meant.

 

I mean that I now have about 45 slabs that are living in my office. Which are being boxed up. I created a Post to alert/inform those that I need their current contact information to ship them.

 

And done minutes before he placed his probation response

 

 

 

 

 

Actually I think he posted here an hour and a half before you started that thread.

I frequent this board more than Face Book. Unless you can link me to a specific Signature Series topic, then I dunno if I missed anything that I should’ve considered before taking the PL process. If you’re talking about the Roll Call where you want everyone who’s waiting for their sketch to post, then I dunno what’s that got to do with the shipping delay. But I guess it’s a good thread to remind yourself of those people waiting for their sketch. At this point, it doesn’t matter who posted what first this morning. Service was delayed, and I’m guessing you wouldn’t have started that thread if it wasn’t for this PL process. Oh and this case was first started last night in the General Discussion, then later asked to post here.

This will all be resolved in the next day or so.

 

I am not keeping or holding his sketch hostage.

 

Other boardies have sketches that are being held too. He's the only one that took upon himself to go on the PL list.

 

Everyone else that I've deal with understands and knows that their sketches are coming. Unfortunately one person doesn't.

It’s unfortunate that I’m the only one or the first one to go through the PL process. Maybe I have less patient than everyone else. While I’ve given you ample time to ship my sketch, everybody else are scared to say anything and just wait for their sketch whenever you feel like shipping them.

 

 

this probation thread is better than last night's Walking Dead!

This is pretty much the best reply in this drama so far, and I couldn’t agree with you more.

As far as his PM, it was just left unanswered. The OP and I have had issues in the past where he's gone behind facilitator's back in order to get their own sketch. Regardless, it's being handled.

It was just left unanswered? Anyone can right click on your name and see your posts since December. Maybe the right phrase is “it was just purposely left unanswered”

If you really wanna get into the whole me going behind your back to get an artist’s sketch, then I’ll let you post your side first, and again has nothing to do with the shipping delay and if you want I’ll agree that it wasn’t retaliatory.

Just because CGC takes forever to send books back to people doesn't mean their facilitators should do the same thing

Perhaps if a person doesn't have enough time to ship books out within even two months of picking them up they shouldn't be facilitating. Then again, CGC thinks its perfectly acceptable to take forever to grade and return books

I agree. But I’m not blaming CGC at all in this. I’d say 90% of my sketches are Fast Tracked, and I would get them an average of 3 to 4 weeks. Unless the sketch was not Fast Tracked or, in this case, the fascilitator decide to take their time shipping the sketch.

Pretty bad that GoT can't ship books out within 2 months of picking them up, yet can run sales threads during that time period.

That's why it boggles me that I'm the first and only one who took the PL route considering I'm not the only one who's waiting for their sketch. Not the only one waiting for a Jaro sketch (March 2012). Yet there's been multiple sales thread while slabs sits in his office waiting to be shipped. A Sales Thread usually generates quicker profit, so does that mean that whatever he sold was shipped first before those who's been waiting for awhile?

Ive gotten enough info from reading this thread to get a vibe on dealing with you. I don't need to deal wit you face to face. Dealing with face to face would be a completely different animal as I might actually get the product from you then. Otherwise dealing with you might result in:

-Ignored PMs while selling other items on the boards

-Books held since late November

-The good old "nobody else has a problem but this one guy" excuse which as RMA and others has pointed out produces the right answer to the wrong question

-A plea to let it go since it makes you look like a fool

-And no where has there been a Mea Culpa and only an attempt to make the spotlight of incompetence not fall squarely on the shoulders of the person who earned it. That being you.

 

And on your "lie, steal, or cheat" comment: when that is the only nugget you have to hold up to show people that you are a solid dude,well that kinda is kinda like saying "at least I'm better than the crooks, cheats, theifs, and liars" well that ain't a real ringing endorsement.

Oy vey. How the high holy hell are the comments supposed to go the other way? You had the books. You failed to ship. You didn't do your end of the bargain with even a smidgen of concern for a customer getting his stuff in a legitimate time frame.

But since you asked here are some comments going the other way

-yes you did send the books to be done

-yes you did try and contact GoT to get info as to when you would get your books back

-you did get ignored by GoT

-You did get your books held up by this facilitator for the better part of 2 months.

Happy now?

You dropped the ball like a champ. You have yet to own it. Tried to ship the onus of blame to away from you yet have the temerity to ask for the conversation to stop?

You don't give two flying rats rear ends that you held the dudes stuff and were too lazy, incompetent, or couldn't be bothered enough to get his stuff to him. All you give a swinging elephants trunk about is salvaging your future business opportunities.

For shame.

Sorry, you only get second place for best reply in this thread next to the Walking Dead reply.

Ok all those QUOTES out of the way. Lemme just say something.

*I’ve sold a lot of items in this Message Board before. I ship ASAP, sometime the very next business day after payment was received. I didn’t wanna delay shipping in the fear of getting a bad rep. Later on I really didn’t care much for the Kudos Thread coz I know I’ve done my part of transaction as best as I can. So please understand why a complete opposite way of handling business annoyed me.

**Yes facilitators and sellers have their own lives to worry about. Most have an actual job, and consider comic investing as just a side income. But the same can be said to buyers like me who has a life as well, and working hard for the money that I used to pay for such items/service. So again please understand why I’m annoyed that I didn’t get what my hard earned money is worth.

***Sure we can blame the artists for taking their time to finish X number of sketches, but that’s between the facilitator and the artists, and shouldn’t be a burden to the buyer. If you know the sketches will take awhile, then take that into consideration. Yes, CGC lags sometimes but hey that’s what Fast Track is for.

****For those who’s still clueless about PMs labeled as UNREAD. Just a reminder that an email alert gets sent out with part of the PM included in the email. Come on now!

****Other than this particular case and facilitator, I’ve had no problems with any sketch ops from other facilitators, or items from other sellers. I just hope that CGC enforces a revised rule that facilitators must abide. Facilitators must be on top of things from start to finish, from getting the initial approval from the artists up to the sketch being admired by the new owner.

Thanks to everyone for sharing their opinions and concerns. We are all here to better our group, and I’m all for our success. To all those who has sent me PMs, I understand why y’all have decided to remain quiet. Let’s just see this as me taking one for the team coz I know I’ve pissed of a lot of Adonis’ friends.

Sorry it has come to this, but to quote one of those who will remain anonymous “In this case the PL did what it was supposed to. The(y) threat of it got the guy of his backside and made him do his job.”

As per instructed, I'm copy and pasting the discussion from the other thread.

Nominee: GODOFTHUNDER aka Adonis

Hope to see his name on the list soon, enforced no sale/transaction while on PL. PM sent to Adonis

How do I go about reporting a sketch FASCILITATOR who's known to hold sketches until they feel like mailing them. Sketch op was started March 2012. Artist confirmed all sketches were done and subbed Summer 2012. This was Fast Tracked. December 2012, Fascilitator confirmed he already have the sketch, who knows how long the sketch has been in his possession. Another message, said he will mail it. Last message, I already asked for a refund. Message said UNREAD even though we all know how to get around that. While this guy is still posting, starting sales threads and sketch ops. Even worse, he already started an "interest" for the same artist and took sketch requests in the Facebook Sketch Fanatic page.

 

I'm sure some of you already know who I'm talking about. And I still have a lot to file complaint about this guy. Let's see how fair you guys are coz I'm sure if it was somebody else guy will already be in probation.

 

Applying this rule:

1) The 30-Day Rule

a) If a transaction between board members is not completed within 30 days, the offended party may submit the offender's name for inclusion to the HOS/Probation List (hereafter called the PL)

 

then I'd say 30 days from his PM stating he'll mail it he's PL eligible. Has it been 30 days?

Initial shipping inquiry responded on Dec. 20th 2012. And I'm sure he had the sketches (not just mine) longer than that.

 

I've dealt with this guy 4 times. Once he waited for another sketch so he can ship them both in the same box. Although I was charged for shipping per sketch. And forget Fast Track with this guy. It doesnt matter how fast CGC takes are of their side if FASCILITATOR will keep the sketch for months.

Then I say PM him that he's been nominated for the Probation List, and follow the procedure from there. Sounds like he's eligible based on him saying he had the book in the December PM.

 

And I'd be very factual about it all.

 

Your expectation was that books would ship once he had them.

He confirmed on Dec 20 that he had them.

It has been 30+ days since.

 

Thus you are nominating him for PL.

 

So what "procedure" follows in order to place this facilitator on probation?

 

Sure I might get my sketch eventually, or maybe he'll just provide the refund I already asked for. It's just a pity that something like this is allowed to happen to someone with such reputation. And like I previously said, this guy is still posting comments & ignoring PMs. Starting sketch ops and sales thread, completely ignoring sketches he need to ship first. I know I'm not the only one waiting for their sketch, but coz of this guy's status in the boards, a lot are afraid to voice their concern. I hope you guys figure out a way to change some policy weeding such facilitators.

 

And I'd be explicit in how the Nominee can "right the situation". Sounds like you are giving him two reasonable avenues to make it right

1) Ship the books (with a tracking number provided by a certain date)

2) Refund money in full (via paypal by date) or by check (with tracking number by date).

 

So he then remains on the PL until he resolves it in one of those methods.

 

Then I say PM him that he's been nominated for the Probation List, and follow the procedure from there. Sounds like he's eligible based on him saying he had the book in the December PM.

 

And I'd be very factual about it all.

 

Your expectation was that books would ship once he had them.

He confirmed on Dec 20 that he had them.

It has been 30+ days since.

 

Thus you are nominating him for PL.

 

Quite right. Use this forum to post your PL nomination:

 

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3267425#Post3267425

So I just copy and paste my previous posts in that link?

Then I say PM him that he's been nominated for the Probation List, and follow the procedure from there. Sounds like he's eligible based on him saying he had the book in the December PM.

 

And I'd be very factual about it all.

 

Your expectation was that books would ship once he had them.

He confirmed on Dec 20 that he had them.

It has been 30+ days since.

 

Thus you are nominating him for PL.

So what "procedure" follows in order to place this facilitator on probation?

Sure I might get my sketch eventually, or maybe he'll just provide the refund I already asked for. It's just a pity that something like this is allowed to happen to someone with such reputation. And like I previously said, this guy is still posting comments & ignoring PMs. Starting sketch ops and sales thread, completely ignoring sketches he need to ship first. I know I'm not the only one waiting for their sketch, but coz of this guy's status in the boards, a lot are afraid to voice their concern. I hope you guys figure out a way to change some policy weeding such facilitators.

Initial shipping inquiry responded on Dec. 20th 2012. And I'm sure he had the sketches (not just mine) longer than that.

I've dealt with this guy 4 times. Once he waited for another sketch so he can ship them both in the same box. Although I was charged for shipping per sketch. And forget Fast Track with this guy. It doesnt matter how fast CGC takes are of their side if FASCILITATOR will keep the sketch for months.

How do I go about reporting a sketch FASCILITATOR who's known to hold sketches until they feel like mailing them. Sketch op was started March 2012. Artist confirmed all sketches were done and subbed Summer 2012. This was Fast Tracked. December 2012, Fascilitator confirmed he already have the sketch, who knows how long the sketch has been in his possession. Another message, said he will mail it. Last message, I already asked for a refund. Message said UNREAD even though we all know how to get around that. While this guy is still posting, starting sales threads and sketch ops. Even worse, he already started an "interest" for the same artist and took sketch requests in the Facebook Sketch Fanatic page.

I'm sure some of you already know who I'm talking about. And I still have a lot to file complaint about this guy. Let's see how fair you guys are coz I'm sure if it was somebody else guy will already be in probation.

Grabbin some of this plus the B&W 1:25 variant

I dunno how many times I've said this to your sketches: WOW!

Fast Tracks from Joel Elad's show in Oceanside came in Tuesday

Hahahaha Kuya talaga!

Sino yan? Kapitan Kano?

Picked up a sketch and subbed from Mid-Ohio show (9.28.12). Got it last Weds (10.24.12)

Kita kits na lang this Saturday!

Oh wha.....?!?

I was gonna say to just leave it as B&W, but the finish piece is even better.

Someone better snag this at SDCC. Or better yet... NOW!

SDCC AA Table is CC-10. I will see you there. -andy

I will definitely see you there!

Finally got the Wondercon sketch. Thanks Kuya!

Looks familiar hehehe

Sad. But I actually got rid of a lot of my DOS slabs in my last sales thread. If anyone is still interested in whatever is left, just hit up my thread.

I gotta throw in my Carreon love:

That Weapon X is nice

It's still a pretty cool addition to your collection.