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they released this for Miles Morales legacy numbering a few years back when they were on 234 should explain all of the series more or less included. It’s essentially an Ultimate Spider-Man numbering rather than a Miles Morales numbering. Does Marvel’s legacy numbering always make sense? No it does not. But they do get to squeeze a little more juice out of the #300 anniversary issue anyways.

I mean they kinda just told us to figure it out ourselves with this part: Collectors and dealers can protect themselves from fraud in a number of ways: Always look up a collectible in our free Verification Certification tool on the homepage of our websites. All collectibles are now being imaged in high-resolution, and you can compare the images of your collectible to the images that we took. Buy from CCG Authorized Dealers, Official Submission Centers or Strategic Partners. You can look them up using the free Dealer Locator on our website. Choose online marketplaces that offer buyer protection, such as eBay. Do your research and exercise common sense. If a deal seems too good to be true, it probably is. …even though 1. The reholder scam books were often sold pre-imaging existing on CGC’s site and even if you had imaging available what you’d see is the end product of their reholder. You wouldn’t see the before reholder pictures. Which you would need to identify a swap. 2. Most of these books were bought by victims from CGC authorized dealers. And also online marketplaces that offer buyer protection like eBay. Unfortunately there are limitations to that protection in terms of time to seek refund. So this doesn’t help very many people. 3. Doing research and using common sense is what buyers paying the premium for a CGC slabbed book are hoping to minimize. That’s kind of the entire point is that as a buyer you had some assurances of what you were buying, that it not only was a specific grade (albeit subjective) but also that it wasn’t restored or missing things. And given that the holders were resealed in a factory way on the reholder from CGC this left no room for a buyer to determine any sort of tampering with the holder itself. So yeah I found this part a bit out of place to say the least. Not that it isn’t good advice in general, but that it’s not really applicable to the primary scam at play. And no suggestions or help was being offered in lieu of that.

Oh no, I’m definitely not minimizing or attempting to minimize with what I said… my point was more that to me what is now being made public (+- a few details) has been known even before the past few weeks by most that were tuned in. Just now things are becoming more public with the lawsuit. Somehow we are still in the same place in terms of a lot of the questions many of us had been asking… even the simple ones like why aren’t they providing the full list of all books submitted by the parties at hand even those they themselves don’t feel are suspicious, and what is this haphazard method they have for crossing items of the list? so like I said, felt like I missed a lot, then read everything and caught myself back up and realized I really didn’t.

I’ve been away from this thread and CGC news for a few weeks dealing with some real life stuff… and somehow feel like I’ve missed a lot while also feeling like I’ve missed nothing during that time. And that comes after reading the lawsuit, this thread and Steve’s letter. I guess it’s cool we can now say the names and don’t have to talk in codes anymore. That’s something I guess.

I agree with a lot this but will say the same way the “I hate CGC” comments don’t add anything of value is the same way the “nothing to see here” comments don’t add any value. If a person feels this scam doesn’t impact them in any way, that’s fine, but I’m not sure what posting that repeatedly in this thread is adding to the discussion. Especially since we’re almost 400 pages and a month in and some have been doing that since the beginning. The “exhausting” part of this to me is reading thru those, especially when the “I hate CGC” and the “nothing to see here” crowds start feeding off each other. All are welcome to say what they want, but for me it’s just added noise at this point.

Sounds about right. In terms of if the 9.2 or the 9.8 were ever claimed on insta only Grailz would know that. They instruct buyers to claim either in comments or DM but I think most conduct negotiating in DM’s. Neither book has a public claim comment or a public sold comment.

Not sure if the loop was ever closed on this one... I may have drifted in and out for a couple hundred pages so I apologize if this is a rehash, but this book post swap was listed for sale by Grailz like many of the other books on this list for consignment on 8/6/23. I noticed it while I was digging thru their posts. They listed it for 25k. Not sure if they ever got that price... but that's a 5 figure scam regardless. This is more to my earlier point that I am of the belief most of the scammers latest (2023) dirty work happened thru backchannels on IG where things aren't tracked as easily by GPA/eBay. Note: The donor book you provided was also listed on Grailz as well on 3/17/23.

I’ve been collecting images of screenshots… not sure it will matter but also the place where the swap was sold thru consignment (Grailz) has a lot of the books on the list and has posted they are intentionally leaving the sold books up for transparency which I hope they do. I looked thru the last 6 months of their books skimming thru and counted 35 of the 350 books (10%) on this list on Grailz posts but there are likely more that I missed. This one was just one that I found that was particularly peculiar… and it wasn’t dissimilar to the book that’s started the whole thing (252 MJI also popped up on Grailz). I am wondering if the scammer moved to IG consignment sales for more of their recent scams to keep listings out of eBay/GPA trackability.

Yep

After looking thru the comments on Grailz post (middle picture) I saw “SOLD!” and I see an account stating claim. So, very likely it sold and the last image is actually the unfortunate buyer who wanted to reholder to a X-men label since a Spidey custom label made no sense.

Here's a fun one I stumbled across... First image from WP/eBay sale from 7/16/23 direct edition book, direct edition label for $760. Second image from listing on Grailz IG account on 8/15/23 for $2999 but what's this, magically there's a newsstand book inside. Side note - my man wastes no time getting books reholdered, got to say I struggle to even get CGC to open my box in 1 month this guy bought it from eBay got it shipped to him and reholdered, then relisted thru Grailz in 1 month. Impressive. Third image from CGC scans on verify tool. The 2nd custom label, which hey at least it's not a Spidey custom label on an X-Men book anymore, also got CGC to "fix" his label and notate the newsstand edition this time.

Probably bought 2 green label or raw 238’s missing tattooz insert same day as initial buy, swapped into the 9.8 blue label books and subbed both on same day as reholders with custom labels, got em back same day, put them up on eBay together and sold together again. Also resubbed the legit books likely on another submission. 2 green label + 2 blue label become 4 blue label 9.8’s. This is what they really meant when they said “Hard work has already been done for you”.

This is a recently graded book you can see the scans on CGC thru verify tool, it’s not swapped out, just CGC QC issues - which is bad, but not related to this scam.

Not my book but yeah, I agree it is a nice one. And yeah they seem to be claiming the verification is happening before even opening the slabs… which to me says they are either sorcerers or they have images of all these books every time they get sent to them even ones prior to the scans becoming publicly available.

That note doesn’t seem to mean anything. We are still seeing it on every book in the list, even books other board members have come in here saying they’ve had the book cleared by CGC like this one: Some consistency would be nice.