Rhymenoceros

With the success of Something Is Killing The Children, it got me thinking about how many comic series were originally solicited as a mini and then later bumped up to an ongoing series in the same volume. If others are interested as well I can maintain this thread as a running list. ‐--------------- LIMITED SERIES TURNED ONGOING IN SAME VOLUME: Animal Man Vol. 1 (DC) Crossover (Image) Five Weapons (Image) Once & Future (Boom) Something Is Killing The Children (Boom) Transformers Vol. 1 (Marvel) Usagi Yojimbo Vol. 3 (Dark Horse) Youngblood Vol. 1 (Image) ONE SHOTS TURNED ONGOING IN SAME VOLUME: Destroyer Duck (Eclipse)

This is the reality. I learned a lot about this specific "issue" / part of the process now that it has happened to me. I do stand by the statements that this has been sporadically enforced at least up to this point according to many who have posted in the thread. It will be interesting to see if it will be applied universally with the new management taking over, or if my situation was an outlier when the FMV difference was not as drastic as many others who have gone through without a tier bump.

#6, but I'm with ya

RECAP: After the discussion so far and looking into examples and info shared, I'm thinking it's primarily a judgement call by the grader based on their personal knowledge/belief of the books value, and perhaps (sometimes?) then verified with GPA values. My book in question has dropped in value somewhat recently, but still well under the graded GPA values that some have slid by under modern. In April and May (2-3 months ago) a few 9.8s of Kanan #6 sold for $800 - $850. Now it's about $600 - $650. I was told during my first call to CGC asking about it that a supervisor or head grader (I don't remember her exact words) must approve any tier bumps, so it's supposedly not solely up to the grader... but I think the grader must bring it up to their superior to approve. When books valued at $1-2k+ are slipping by, it's certainly not unilaterally enforced. Either that, or there are maybe 1-2 graders (of the approx. 15-20 on staff) who look for this being abused. The policy may even be marginally honor system based, as long as the book is not pre-1975 and your submission isn't loaded with keys. OR a crackdown is coming.

@Count D. Monet I think you've actually helped the spread of this information more than Jennifer just by reposting that screenshot 4 times in the thread so far. Thanks for trying to be helpful to those in the thread. Now let's see if we can get it somewhere the majority of CGC submitters will see.

Time will tell if CGC will be cracking down on borderline FMV tier adjustments based on CGC sold data, or if I just got unlucky as some have said

Exactly what I'm advocating for now after experiencing this tier bump on a small FMV threshold. Less mystery and more transparency in policies that we agree to by submitting books. Again, I'm not "upset" by the outcome in getting the 9.8; rather the lack of clear guidelines and understanding among CGC customer service staff to be able to answer questions if it's going to be enforced this closely.

X-men 1 and TMNT 1 Looked at both books for so long and now likely out of reach even for a 1.0.

They actually flat out state they will NEVER do that

Thanks for the level headed reply after understanding the situation

Noted

Not the point and doesn't apply, but I appreciate your concern.

Read my update on pg 4. I'm not upset at the outcome. I think the policy of sources from that screenshot should be clear and well communicated among the company, assuming it's current. It has not been consistently enforced from others' posts in this thread. Maybe it will be, moving forward with the new management as some have predicted.

I'm glad two people agree that a single obscure post on the forums is a sufficient way to communicate an important policy with everyone. Two separate customer service reps could not or would not tell me what is in that post. How is that transparent or obvious? In the asm 300 9.8 case referenced above, that is an extreme and a different ballpark than my example. Even a raw NM asm 300 goes for more than the $400 modern tier max.

For those who haven't been here for 15 years, can you provide a current link to where CGC makes that determination clear to submitters?

I don't believe they increase the insurance value... they just charge you more while bumping the tier up. If something would happen, according to their own terms, you would only be paid what you the submitter entered on the form. At least in my case. Perhaps there are exceptions.

Oh, and for those wondering - all 25 books in the sub are shipping back at the same time it would appear, without splitting for the 1 they bumped the tier on.

💯% agree, and thanks!

UPDATE: Grades just posted. The Kanan #6 in question is a 9.8 While the initial shock got to me, after some thought I suppose I am leaning towards happy overall - since I only anticipated a 9.6 out of the book. Still, this has made me give a hard thought about the impact of CGC determining FMV apparently by CGC sold listings of the grade determined. Maybe for some this is not "news", but it was news to me as this didn't seem to be in line with the policy as I had experienced it in the past.

Checked GoCollect for you.. ASM 101 9.6 right? :

No pre-screen. I was told this: "Based on the condition of the book and the projected grade the graders declared the book to be undervalued. Here at CGC we do not buy, sell, or trade books , but if you submit a book that is undervalued in the grader's view , we will bump the book up to the appropriate tier of service The grades will be available once the submission has been finalized and shipped, this submission has been graded and is now being encapsulated in our encapsulation room."

Now THAT is interesting... that's an $8 - $10K book, right? (After grading)

The problem is no one I've spoken to or emailed is even willing to have a conversation. Essentially a robotic, scripted response that what they say is what goes, end of story. I'm going to wait to see the grade before reaching out again

I've emailed and called and no one will tell me what sources or method they use to determine value - only that by submitting I agree to their sole determination of value. Awaiting grade and will update