I think you guys just missed a big chance to redeem yourselves.
In the spirit of actually Paying It Forward, why don't you just let him have it?
Here's a chance to help someone get their mind off of something terrible at no actual cost to you. So what if his offer isn't instantly translatable into what you want?
I am a bit confused about this post. Who are the people that missed their chance to redeem theirselves and from what? Couldnt anyone on the boards have claimed the item for him. Its kind of an interesting statement especially since boardies were already helping behind the scenes
We seem to be reading different threads. I can't tell if you're being disingenuous or you really don't get it. You seem like a nice, intelligent guy so I'll assume the later. Heck, you weren't even a member when this thread was created, so maybe you're not aware of its history.
And, yes, regarding your second post about me, you are correct - I meant what I wrote, not what Claudio "thought" I meant.
I used the term "you guys" because I didn't want to single anyone out, and in this specific case I still won't. I used the term "redeem" because of what occurred in this thread with rckstr1253, and seems to happen all too frequently with other new people trying to participate in this group activity which was designed to be fun. This was made all the more ugly in the eyes of many because of the circumstances surrounding a recent horrific event. I think it's awesome that things are being done behind the scenes to correct this; but, honestly, it shouldn't have happened in the first place.
Sometimes it helps to take a step back and put yourself in the shoes of a new person trying to fit in, make friends, and have some fun. For most new boardies who discover the PIF thread, that process starts with reading the rules on Page 1. Let's review them. I've numbered them below within the spoiler to make it easy to reference.
rckstr1253 did everything correctly. He didn't break or bend a single rule. He was polite, courteous, respectful, and eager to try as hard as he could.
Now let's review what the "you guys" part of this did:
A) A new offer was put up. rckstr1253 claimed it two hours later.
B) Nine hours into his 24 hour time limit, the badgering to get his offer up immediately began.
C) 11 hours in, he explained he was searching for comics that he thought someone might be interested in.
D) Quite a few comments were made after this about hoping he would be unsuccessful and that it would revert, along with more badgering about how long his offer was taking.
E) Six hours before his time limit was up, he posted his first offer and explained that if they weren't taken he'd put up some more options. At this point, according to rule #7, he had 96 more hours before his offer reverted.
F) Seven hours into his 96 hour limit, he put up several new books as a new option to his offer.
G) Rule #11 states very clearly that value is not to be discussed, and that if you don't like the offer, then you don't have to take it.
H) Less than nine hours into his 96 hour limit, the "advice" started on what he might be doing wrong, along with not-so-subtle hints at value and demand.
I) 13 hours into his 96 hour limit he explained he would look for more books.
J) 30 minutes later, the advice about value resumed.
K) rckstr1253 now starts asking whether this book or that book would be acceptable "directly" to those who are complaining about his offer.
L) More value comments follow, as well as comments about the unacceptability of his offer, along with self-congratulations for not treating him harsher.
M) At 21 hours into his 96 hour limit, rckstr1253 is now apologizing for not realizing the value of his claim in relation to his offer and vows to find something more valuable. He mentions looking for some SA ASM books.
N) Three hours later, 24 hours into his 96 hour limit, he briefly explains his personal tragedy and the difficulty he's having concentrating and trying to find new books; bows out gracefully, allowing his claim to revert.
O) Three minutes later, someone posts a nasty, callous little animated gif which states, "Well...Bye."
P) Two minutes later, the previous offer is bumped into ready position.
Q) Six minutes later, someone reminds everyone about the tragedy and posts a link to a thread explaining it.
R) A few seconds later, the old offer is claimed.
Do you understand what I mean by "redeem" now? I would not want to be treated like this, and I know you wouldn't either - yet it happens here all the time, especially when new people try to participate.
There is absolutely no need for this behavior. The rules are in place now to prevent "junk donkeys" from getting away with their previous abuses. There is no need to police anyone's offer. If it's unacceptable, either the offeror will get the message on his own because of lack of interest, or it will revert after 4 days.
On the other hand, there "is" a need to police bad behavior from those who really just want a closed, fast-moving trading thread, and are abusing those who are following the rules and using the thread as it was designed - to Pay It Forward and have fun.
This thread was started with the best of intentions, and I'd really hate to see it locked or deleted, but that's where it's headed if something doesn't change soon. To those who break the rules, chase off new participants unless they put up the books they personally want, and generally seem to enjoy the constant fighting and bickering - this isn't the thread for you, please start one of your own.
Well put, Let me be the first to say if i was out of line in anyway on this PIF, i am sorry. Some of us, even myself need to remember what the meaning of PIF stands for.
Pay It Forward - when someone does a good dead for you, instead of paying them back, pay it forward by doing a good deed for someone else.
Like ditch said...we had a perfect chance to help someone get their mind off of something terrible at no actual cost to you. Thank you Ditch for your words of wisdom.