@therealsilvermane

All the MCU movies have been pushed back a few times, partly because of the pandemic lockdowns. This last move however is a singular one and does seem to be a reaction move that’s part of the quality over quantity policy Marvel Studios is adapting.

Satire then? I see Watchmen as an amalgam of things: satire, parody, artistic commentary, literature, entertainment. One thing it’s not is a superhero adventure for adventure’s sake. I’m not that familiar with Watchmen’s precise origins, so it seems you’re right that some Charlton heroes were a starting point. After quick research, the Minutemen Nite Owl is based on Blue Beetle and the Watchmen Nite Owl is based on Batman. While Ozymandias may have started from Thunderbolt, I say he creatively evolved to be this world’s version of Superman, but from a Friedrich Nietzche sense, an Ubermensch. That’s how he’s always been to me anyway. Its been a few many years since I’ve read Watchmen. .I should pick it up again.

Brie looks great. New costume looks great. Who needs VFX?

Did I say Owlman? I meant Nite Owl. No, the modern Nite Owl is a parody of Batman. Ozymandius is a parody of Superman, even has his own parody Fortress of Solitude. Kinda like what if Superman had no morals? When I say “parody “ that could also be a deconstruction and critical commentary of comics.

Collection of trailer reactions can’t be complete without one from guy in basement. Also Dmcjediman might be my new hero.

Do you think the “quality over quantity” statement and postponing the film three months is some kind of bluff by Iger and Feige?

I think all parties have decided whether or not they’re going to see the movie or not already and are entrenched in their camps. VFX be darned, just show me the teaser already and they did and I’m freakin elated.

Well it’s a darn good thing Marvel has like SIX MONTHS to make the VFX better.

I acknowledge Dave Gibbons gave the movie a thumbs up, and that it looked like Watchmen and followed the comic book’s plot. However for me, it missed for me the most important aspect of the work, that besides being a dark reflection of 20th century American history, that this comic book was also a metaphor…of the comic book. Watchmen was a serious parody. Owlman and Ozymandius were Batman and Superman. For me, a proper Watchmen movie or show should somehow capture that. For me, Snyder’s movie didn’t do that. But I think the HBO series did, as it focuses on race relations in America’s past and present and also exists as a dark reflection of the dominant comic book movie culture of the 2010’s. So the HBO series is my cinematic Watchmen.

Here’s my deal with Zack Snyder and it has nothing to do with the DCEU, I thought BvS was fine ( though I don’t like MOS). I really liked 300. I think he was the perfect filmmaker for it at the time. When I heard he was getting Watchmen, I got a little worried. And when I saw the movie, I felt I had a right to be worried. Snyder turned one of the most intelligent artful comics stories ever created into a dumb action movie. Even though Alan Moore has always been against adaptations of his work, I always felt it could be done and I thought Snyder ruined that forever until I saw the HBO series.

I didn’t mean to call the guy unintelligent, it just came out. I redacted it. He’s smart enough to be a successful blockbuster filmmaker

This is just about the trailer. Carol smiled, laughed, got angry, and cried throughout the actual Captain Marvel movie. Attackers just stuck with the Brie doesn’t smile or show emotion thing.

And that’s why you shouldn’t trust Zack Snyder with cinematic metaphors. (see: the two Marthas)

It’s not just you. She looks a little hotter.

https://www.polygon.com/platform/amp/2018/9/23/17892512/captain-marvel-brie-larson-smile-iron-man-doctor-strange-captain-america-poster-instagram

In The Dark Knight Returns graphic novel by Frank Miller, Bruce tells Harvey Dent when he looks at him he sees “a reflection.” This duality aspect of Batman, a theme previously exclusive to Two-Face, was explored further in Tim Burton’s Batman films.

Hmm, that’d be a bit of a happy accident if Marvel didn’t deliberately mean to have the trailer open with “Don’t tell me to smile” when a big part of the trolling of the very first Captain Marvel trailer was that Brie Larson didn’t smile. I guess maybe it was just divine influence from above?

Unionized industry contract workers like SAG, DGA, ICG, Writers Guild, etc

I know that. But I also believe that for Marvel Studios, the hero character’s overall journey across the MCU supplants any one individual movie. For instance, Dr Strange is bigger than his first movie. He’s also his roles in Ragnarok and Infinity War. In fact, I say Dr Strange didn’t become a true fan favorite until his fight with Thanos in Infinity War. Hulk is an even better example. He has one MCU movie that isn’t very good and barely counts in the MCU, but it’s Hulk’s appearances across four Avengers movies, Ragnarok, and She-Hulk that are important. And so with Ant-Man, it’s his total appearances from his first movie to Civil War and Endgame to now that define the character. Quantumania is just a cog in the Ant-Man wheel. It’s arguable that Ant-Man 3 is more of a Kang movie. Again I’m not saying the movie’s box office isn’t disappointing for Disney, because money is important, but Ant-Man’s overall IP is far more important. In the MCU, the individual character is everything.

No doubt the box office of QuAntuMania was a big disappointment, but the career as a whole so far of Ant-Man in the MCU and current movie pop culture has been a resounding success.

I think you missed the cleverness. The trailer opens with the song’s first rap lyric “Don’t tell me to smile” which is a direct reference to Captain Marvel’s first trailer when a bunch of people online said Brie wasn’t smiling enough, and also how society in general tells women to smile more. The “Intergalactic, planetary” chorus emphasizes how our heroes keep going back and forth from outer space to Earth and back again as they keep swapping out each other ‘s locations. The “we’re so versatile” line could reference how different the trio’s powers are. Speaking of trio, the Beastie Boys are a trio, just like the Marvels. “Intergalactic” is not just a fun song, it’s kind of quirky, which matches the quirkiness of the trailer’s content of place swapping superheroes, Flerkens, and dancing aliens. So I say not only is “Intergalactic” a perfect song choice for the first trailer , it’s also clever.

I doubt it, especially video games. Super Mario Bros is universally loved, so it’s a no-brainer the movie would do well, but I’m not sure you can make an expanded movie universe of Mario with complex stories the way you can with the MCU, Star Wars, or Star Trek. Video games are perfect as they are and lose a little when you try to make a movie out of them. Plus, there are so many different video games that are popular and then lose their trendiness. Spider-Man Batman Superman Hulk etc have been part pop culture since the 20th century and are modern myths. Superheroes aren’t going anywhere. Disney will make sure of that.

Another random lady YouTuber's reaction since this movie is apparently only made for girls.