An In-Depth Comparison of Green Label and Blue Label Grading
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Thanks, all. And thanks, telerites, for another good example.

 

I purposely avoided including personal opinions in my lead-off post. However, at this point, I’d like to say that I was quite surprised by many of the things I saw. Here are some examples of Blue Label books with a detached centerfold (the Aquaman #46), a blown staple, or a completely detached cover:

 

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According to these examples, a pristine book with a detached centerfold can receive a Universal Grade as high as 9.4, a lightly worn book with a blown staple can grade as high as 9.0 to 9.4, and a book with a completely detached cover can grade as high as 4.0. WTF? In my world, a book that's essentially flawless aside from a blown staple has always been a FN/VF. No wonder I have so many repeat buyers!

 

doh!

 

 

The Superman #172 and Aquaman #46 books above should be a QUALIFIED 9.2 and 9.4, respectively.

 

The key visual being that the defects on the label are described in ALL CAPS, which is only for Qualified defects.

 

I have seen other books where the label color was wrong but the census had it correct. From the Superman 172, though, the label is blue and the census lookup shows that in fact it was graded as universal.

 

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Thanks, all. And thanks, telerites, for another good example.

 

I purposely avoided including personal opinions in my lead-off post. However, at this point, I’d like to say that I was quite surprised by many of the things I saw. Here are some examples of Blue Label books with a detached centerfold (the Aquaman #46), a blown staple, or a completely detached cover:

 

th_B2-1.jpg th_B2-2.jpg th_B2-3.jpg th_B2-4.jpg

th_B2-5.jpg th_B2-6.jpg th_B2-7.jpg th_B2-8.jpg th_B2-9.jpg th_B2-10.jpg

 

According to these examples, a pristine book with a detached centerfold can receive a Universal Grade as high as 9.4, a lightly worn book with a blown staple can grade as high as 9.0 to 9.4, and a book with a completely detached cover can grade as high as 4.0. WTF? In my world, a book that's essentially flawless aside from a blown staple has always been a FN/VF. No wonder I have so many repeat buyers!

 

doh!

 

 

The Superman #172 and Aquaman #46 books above should be a QUALIFIED 9.2 and 9.4, respectively.

 

The key visual being that the defects on the label are described in ALL CAPS, which is only for Qualified defects.

 

I have seen other books where the label color was wrong but the census had it correct. From the Superman 172, though, the label is blue and the census lookup shows that in fact it was graded as universal.

 

SU172.jpg

 

So then it is a mistake on the label and the census? Surely no book could grade a 9.2 with a cover detached at one staple, right?

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I would think they could put unwitnessed sigs in a blue label as well, just note that it was verified by a third party with a COA.

 

Never.

 

I suppose COA's can be forged though hm

 

Exactly.

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The key visual being that the defects on the label are described in ALL CAPS, which is only for Qualified defects.

 

Is this information anywhere on the CGC website?

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Nice thread zzutak, what a terrific resource with no hint of any agenda or bias.

 

It should be stickied imho, as it could be the gathering place for all things Qualified.

 

(thumbs u

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Thanks, Ze-man. This has always been my favorite forum. I'm not sure this thread is on par with the incredibly educational Comic Production Flaws and How to Spot Restoration threads, but I certainly appreciate the kind thought.

 

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I had to laugh at myself as I went 3 pages deep looking for this thread, only to see it was stickied to the top of the first. doh!

 

Congrats, your thread is a piece of individual work that's quite worthy. :golfclap:

 

 

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Great post! Thanks for doing all that work! (worship)

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Late to the party but thank Zzutak for an informational and worthwhile thread. Good info in great detail!

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I just came across this thread...fantastic work, and thanks for sharing! :applause:

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Unless I've missed something, this appears to be a GLOD based only on PQ, and isn't one of the categories on this list.

 

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Hey Jay :hi:

Fantastic research and thread! :headbang:

I just recently sent in an ST 107 with centerfold completely detached and it came back blue label 5.0 no label comments...I'm gonna call for the notes this week and report back...

 

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Tom,

The ST 107 was submitted under the value tier, so there won't be any notes. doh!

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Tom,

The ST 107 was submitted under the value tier, so there won't be any notes. doh!

 

Oh well...

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Tom,

The ST 107 was submitted under the value tier, so there won't be any notes. doh!

 

Oh well...

 

Hence, the value . . . :grin:

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Here's one of interest.

 

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Hey Jay :hi:

Fantastic research and thread! :headbang:

I just recently sent in an ST 107 with centerfold completely detached and it came back blue label 5.0 no label comments...I'm gonna call for the notes this week and report back...

 

ST107CGC50.jpg

 

COMMENTARY

 

Based on the Thrilling Comics $42 posted earlier, I would think this book should have a note on the label stating "Centerfold Detached". (shrug)

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That Savage Tales 1 CGC Q 9.8 is just stunning!

 

Green Label or not, I'd cherish that book.

 

I was thinking the same thing, it's a real shame CGC decided to give it a green label because it has a unverified sig.

 

Can't you still get Blue Label for unverified sigs but the signature is just counted as a defect against the grade instead?

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That Savage Tales 1 CGC Q 9.8 is just stunning!

 

Green Label or not, I'd cherish that book.

 

I was thinking the same thing, it's a real shame CGC decided to give it a green label because it has a unverified sig.

 

Can't you still get Blue Label for unverified sigs but the signature is just counted as a defect against the grade instead?

 

It happens, but I'm not sure what the qualifications are. I've seen CGC 9.8 Blue labels with interior sigs.

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