1st app Black Costume

[sk8dima]

Was wondering what u guys think about the 1st appearance of Spidey's alien black costume.

The thing is the sketches for the costume first appeared in Marvel Age #12, which was published in march 1984. So that means 2 months before famous ASM 252 (published may 1984).

So, what do u think about it? Can those sketches be considered as the actual 1st appearance of Black Costume?

Oh and if any of you have Marvel Age 12 CGC'ed (highly doubt, but still), post it here! Would love to see notes by CGC.

 

How awesome he was there!

[nmtg9]

Probably doesn't count because it's not in a story?

[Mephisto]

If you count this then you will have to accept all the advertisements previewing upcoming issues for things like Action Comics 1. Besides the Spider symbol is red it's more of a concept than the final product.

[seanfingh]

 

This comes up every couple years. The consensus typically is that it is a cool anomaly or even a precursor to the Black Costume/Symbiote, but not a 1st app. Cool book though.

[KolmarAvenue]

The 1st appearance is clearly Secret Wars 8/ ASM 252/ MTU 141. I'm going to stick to the high moral ground I've built here and not budge as I'm entirely too lazy to pick a position.

[Spider-Variant]

Was the Black Costume still in the Bronze Age? I guess I always considered it Copper.

 

I posted a link of the story behind the guy who sent in the suggestion for the costume. I'll see if I can find it.

 

[joe_collector]

I forget, is the the 13,456th time this question was posted, or the 13,455th?

[kdoginohio]

I think Nostradamus had it originally.

[Par2ch]

I had 6 copies signed by both Mike Zeck and John Beatty.

 

2 9.8, 2 9.6 and 2 9.4s

 

All but one of the 9.8s (which I have in my collection) I sold on ebay.

 

The label reads drawings of black suit predates 1st apperance

[sk8dima]

Thanks for the info!

[Jeffro.]

Was the Black Costume still in the Bronze Age? I guess I always considered it Copper.

 

I consider it Copper as well.

[joe_collector]

Was the Black Costume still in the Bronze Age? I guess I always considered it Copper.

 

I consider it Copper as well.

 

It is 110% Copper.

[seanfingh]

 

Sure it is. But under the new Board mandated "Hug a n00b" program, I am obligated to provide information to n00bs regardless of forum selection or other considerations.

[Spider-Variant]

Black Costume Spidey Story

[RockMyAmadeus]

For years....and years and years...Overstreet, for some bizarre reason, kept stating that Secret Wars #8 was the first appearance of the black costume...despite it having appeared in no less than 20 other comics printed prior to that Dec, 1984 issue, including Amazing #252, with a May, 1984 cover date.

 

Never understood why that was so difficult to fix.

[Spider-Variant]

For years....and years and years...Overstreet, for some bizarre reason, kept stating that Secret Wars #8 was the first appearance of the black costume...despite it having appeared in no less than 20 other comics printed prior to that Dec, 1984 issue, including Amazing #252, with a May, 1984 cover date.

 

Never understood why that was so difficult to fix.

 

Didn't they mean chronologically?

[joe_collector]

For years....and years and years...Overstreet, for some bizarre reason, kept stating that Secret Wars #8 was the first appearance of the black costume...despite it having appeared in no less than 20 other comics printed prior to that Dec, 1984 issue, including Amazing #252, with a May, 1984 cover date.

 

Never understood why that was so difficult to fix.

 

Didn't they mean chronologically?

 

Of course, but "funny book chronology" doesn't mean anything in the real world, otherwise some recent X-Men book showing Wolverine as a baby would suddenly shoot ahead of Hulk 181 as *the* key book for that character.

[sk8dima]

Move the thread to the copper age, my mistake.

[Spider-Variant]

Move the thread to the copper age, my mistake.

 

Not a problem, I don't know the boundaries of these ages any more either.

 

[Spider-Variant]

For years....and years and years...Overstreet, for some bizarre reason, kept stating that Secret Wars #8 was the first appearance of the black costume...despite it having appeared in no less than 20 other comics printed prior to that Dec, 1984 issue, including Amazing #252, with a May, 1984 cover date.

 

Never understood why that was so difficult to fix.

 

Didn't they mean chronologically?

 

Of course, but "funny book chronology" doesn't mean anything in the real world, otherwise some recent X-Men book showing Wolverine as a baby would suddenly shoot ahead of Hulk 181 as *the* key book for that character.

 

I agree with you. Only thing I can think of in this case. Plus those spider-man books were all less than a year apart.