Hudson Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 Do we REALLY want to bring back this 14 year old battle (and thread)? Although I am sure the battle is actually far greater than 14 years old (the age of this thread) and actually continues on in other threads even today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
namisgr Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, devco said: I’m still unclear as to why clean/press is so frowned upon.. As noted above, it cannot be restoration as nothing has been added or removed, nothing has been fixed or repaired.. simply dry cleaned and pressed. Restoration: the action of returning something to a former owner, place, or condition Our hobby can't detect pressing and dry cleaning with certainty, so for the restoration detection component of CGC grading it was necessary to define pressing and dry cleaning as not being restoration. But it most assuredly fits the generally accepted definition of the term outside of the hobby. I agree that these debates have run their course. Those of us with strong feelings one way or the other regarding pressing can make our own decisions independently on how its rampant presence in the hobby changes our approach to collecting. Edited February 18, 2018 by namisgr porcupine48 and devco 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I like pie Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 1 hour ago, mrc said: .....so, if you saw 2 identical books for sale, same grade, same eye appeal, same price, but one was pressed and the other not pressed (with disclosure), which book would be more desirable to a collector? The unpressed. Then, of course, get it pressed for a grade bump. devco 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrc Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 16 minutes ago, namisgr said: Restoration: the action of returning something to a former owner, place, or condition Our hobby can't detect pressing and dry cleaning with certainty, so for the restoration detection component of CGC grading it was necessary to define pressing and dry cleaning as not being restoration. But it most assuredly fits the generally accepted definition of the term outside of the hobby. I agree that these debates have run their course. Those of us with strong feelings one way or the other regarding pressing can make our own decisions independently on how its rampant presence in the hobby changes our approach to collecting. I agree that the fundamental pressing debate has run its course. However I feel that the relatively recent exponential increase in the quantity of books being pressed and any unknown long term affects as a consequence will ensure the debate continues into the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musicmeta Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 I'm not that hung up on if the graded book was pressed or not but... The statement of "If you don't add or subtract something" from the book it is not restoration and pressing is not restoration seems to me...... .....The non-color breaking crease "was" there before you pressed and now it is not ("You just subtracted something - the non-color breaking crease) when you pressed the book. I guess I'm just too dense and my statement is just too simple... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazyboy Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 Why the hell are you bumping a thread that ended 14 years ago? 10 hours ago, devco said: I’m still unclear as to why clean/press is so frowned upon.. It's not. Pressing is now ubiquitous. 10 hours ago, devco said: As noted above, it cannot be restoration as nothing has been added or removed, nothing has been fixed or repaired.. simply dry cleaned and pressed. Yeah, dents and bends disappearing is just magic, not fixing. takealeft 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaard Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 Restoration is treatment intended to return a comic book to a known or assumed state by adding non-original material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGsimba77 Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 11 hours ago, mrc said: .....so, if you saw 2 identical books for sale, same grade, same eye appeal, same price, but one was pressed and the other not pressed (with disclosure), which book would be more desirable to a collector? If they were both in a slab & had a blue label it wouldn't matter. If raw then the non pressed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackenzie999 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 (edited) 22 hours ago, Gaard said: Restoration is treatment intended to return a comic book to a known or assumed state by adding non-original material. Restoration is restoring a book towards an ideal pristine state. Whether parts were added, subtracted or manipulated, those are all restorative efforts. In my opinion there are two legitimate issues with pressing: 1. The potential for unforeseen consequences to the act of pressing (I think none but only time will tell, and I'm not taking into account bad press jobs) 2. A sort of loss of virginity in terms of a comic existing in its natural, unmanipulated state Edited February 19, 2018 by mackenzie999 clarity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
