Mike's Rack Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 General rule of thumb: When everyone you know is buying multiples, this will inflate the print run and limit upside. When there is a thread like this geared around speculation on a book that hasn't even come out yet, that makes me want to look elsewhere. this is spot on. this is why i'd rather buy at 15% off cover after they've been printed, then pay 50% off cover before, because they'll just print that many more when printing them in the first place. Yeah, I've been trying to figure out how companies determine the print run based on pre-orders. I know that pre-orders will inflate the print run but by what factor? It seems that on a book with a lower anticipated print run, someone who pre-orders 50 copies through DCBS could significantly increase the print run. Is anyone aware of a general rule of thumb? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBT Posted January 15, 2013 Author Share Posted January 15, 2013 General rule of thumb: When everyone you know is buying multiples, this will inflate the print run and limit upside. When there is a thread like this geared around speculation on a book that hasn't even come out yet, that makes me want to look elsewhere. this is spot on. this is why i'd rather buy at 15% off cover after they've been printed, then pay 50% off cover before, because they'll just print that many more when printing them in the first place. Yeah, I've been trying to figure out how companies determine the print run based on pre-orders. I know that pre-orders will inflate the print run but by what factor? It seems that on a book with a lower anticipated print run, someone who pre-orders 50 copies through DCBS could significantly increase the print run. Is anyone aware of a general rule of thumb? not sure, but retroactively, you can check the sales on issue #2, and assume that almost 90% of the drop is speculation by owners and customers on #1. I'll check out Saga and Revival and post it here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBT Posted January 15, 2013 Author Share Posted January 15, 2013 (edited) Revival ----------- 1 - 18,039 2 - 10,486 42% drop - huge speculation Saga ----------- 1 - 37,641 2 - 36,885 2% drop - almost no speculation That says a lot about why 1st print revivals took so long to start climbing, SO many that needed to be worked through from the speculators. Current sales: Saga: 46,000 Revival: 14,000 10,000 subscribers can't own a 1st print of Saga, that explains ALOT 4,000 revival subscribers can't have a number 2 1st print, also very interesting. Edited January 15, 2013 by CBT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBT Posted January 15, 2013 Author Share Posted January 15, 2013 Bedlam ------------- 1 - 22,736 2 - 18,583 18% - surprising little drop off, I would have thought way more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solar Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 I'm not sure you can say that the small drop in Saga means there was very little speculation. There was definitely a decent amount of spec buying on #1. I think many were just smart enough to pick up quantity of #2 as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zekebarrett Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Revival ----------- 1 - 18,039 2 - 10,486 42% drop - huge speculation Saga ----------- 1 - 37,641 2 - 36,885 2% drop - almost no speculation That says a lot about why 1st print revivals took so long to start climbing, SO many that needed to be worked through from the speculators. Current sales: Saga: 46,000 Revival: 14,000 10,000 subscribers can't own a 1st print of Saga, that explains ALOT 4,000 revival subscribers can't have a number 2 1st print, also very interesting. With all these different numbers you've shown, it's crazy how #2 issues aren't worth more than #1 issues. Of course, I know everyone wants the first issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjoseph7772 Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 I remember when Saga came out. Everyone loved the first issue and everyone picked up the second issue as well and it snowballed from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike's Rack Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 With all these different numbers you've shown, it's crazy how #2 issues aren't worth more than #1 issues. Of course, I know everyone wants the first issue. Odd market factors at work. You see this going back to the early 70's #1 issues, the first issues are much easier to find but they also bring a higher price. More supply but also more demand keeps prices up and books move faster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bane Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 feels a little like Wasteland. Is Wasteland any good? Being a huge fan of the Fallout game series I've always hoped for a comic book based on the recent Fallout games or a post-apocalyptic title that was worth a read. East of West for some reason reminds me of the 80s cartoon "Brave Star". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beige Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 General rule of thumb: When everyone you know is buying multiples, this will inflate the print run and limit upside. When there is a thread like this geared around speculation on a book that hasn't even come out yet, that makes me want to look elsewhere. I somewhat doubt that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carter3175 Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 feels a little like Wasteland. East of West for some reason reminds me of the 80s cartoon "Brave Star". WOW!!!! I remember him. Strength of the bear! Speed of the puma! Eyes of the hawk! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bane Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 feels a little like Wasteland. East of West for some reason reminds me of the 80s cartoon "Brave Star". WOW!!!! I remember him. Strength of the bear! Speed of the puma! Eyes of the hawk! (thumbs u Something about the way the guy on the East of West cover is dressed and the metallic bike he's sat on. Just reminds me so much of Brave Star who had a metal horse if I remember correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awakeintheashes Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 feels a little like Wasteland. East of West for some reason reminds me of the 80s cartoon "Brave Star". WOW!!!! I remember him. Strength of the bear! Speed of the puma! Eyes of the hawk! (thumbs u Something about the way the guy on the East of West cover is dressed and the metallic bike he's sat on. Just reminds me so much of Brave Star who had a metal horse if I remember correctly. I loved brave star. It's still on tv. It's on the Hub at 2 am on the weekends. I always catch the 2:30 show before going to bed. Definitely not planned, but it is a nice walk down memory lane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beige Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Well, it seems to strike a happy chord with some so pre-ordered a bunch for slabbing. Lets play this game and see what happens! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThoseBackPages Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 will CGC slab this months Previews? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krighton Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 i've wasted $37.50 on worse stuff, worth a shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beige Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 will CGC slab this months Previews? I think they slab anything that fits into the well. Only oversized or thickness causes problems. Somebody will correct me if I'm wrong I'm sure! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jreezy Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 I'll be picking this up. Sounds like a good read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krighton Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 upped my order...not sure why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjoseph7772 Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Because if it turns into the next manhattan projects more is better than less. I say this book will suck. Please no one order any Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
