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35 minutes ago, Glassman10 said:

It's kind of interesting that I too got an email from the person who bought that 5.0 and it indeed was me that suggested it was overgraded. I haven't changed that opinion but the email I got thanked me for the observations that I made. I'm not going to reprint the note but it seems to me that the buyer wanted to play more than one side of that particular fence. I don't think thaat the condition represents a typical 5.0 given the number of 5.0's I have seen. That's my opinion. 

It does look to me that the 4.5 in question may have a 3/4 inch tear on the back cover and that would reduce the grade. Beyond that, I still think it to be the better copy.

If one is buying the book because they want to own the book and not flip it, that's one thing but if one is buying the book and gets a lower price because of condition in its  potential grading , that's quite another. While the book initially went for 32K, the market is clearly not hot right now and it might be rather difficult to realize a profit in a resale. So, I think it depends a lot on motive and 32K is still a lot of money..  If it has a 5.0 at this point, I don't think a resubmission would improve the grade and could actually lower it. I think Bob Storm's observation's about the book and the grade are worth noting. 

       I 100% agree while this may not have been an instand flip book in the current market I think we would all agree that having this 5.0 (or any AF 15 for that matter)  in ones collection is a pretty solid book to own over the long haul. However, the point of my posts were not which book was better looking vs grade but more on the initial over all negativity about that particular book. I mean honestley if we are now at the point where some of us look at any AF15 with chipping as  " less than"  more than half of the ones I have seen over the past 3 decades are in trouble  as are many of the ones I have seen that are owned by collectors here on these very boards my self included. ( Maybe we should have a new color on CGC for books with no chipping? lol ) 

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1 hour ago, Frank Mozz said:

       I 100% agree while this may not have been an instand flip book in the current market I think we would all agree that having this 5.0 (or any AF 15 for that matter)  in ones collection is a pretty solid book to own over the long haul. However, the point of my posts were not which book was better looking vs grade but more on the initial over all negativity about that particular book. I mean honestley if we are now at the point where some of us look at any AF15 with chipping as  " less than"  more than half of the ones I have seen over the past 3 decades are in trouble  as are many of the ones I have seen that are owned by collectors here on these very boards my self included. ( Maybe we should have a new color on CGC for books with no chipping? lol ) 

I think the issue, and what started this conversation, is that a fellow boardie made a comment saying that a CGC 5.0 copy for 32k was a “good deal” when in reality that price is close to the current market for a marvel chipped copy in grade. Hardly a good deal... more like fmv. A 5.0 with no chipping recently went for +40k, so in comparison it definitely does look like a good deal.

Calling this book ugly may be taking things a little too far, but to each their own. For me, a book with tape, rusted staples, or brittle pages would be less desirable than a marvel chipped copy. I do know though, for most collectors, that marvel chipping does detract from the overall presentation of the book which shows in the varying price points for books in the same grade.

 

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54 minutes ago, jjfversion1 said:

A 5.0 with no chipping recently went for +40k

By any chance do you have a link to that book?  I'd love to see the listing or at least the scan.

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I think sometimes it is important to focus on why you are collecting in the first place.  For most of the boardies, myself included, it is the intrinsic reward of finally having a grail.  Whether its  a baked copy, stains, tape, writing, creases that break color, spine splits, tears, or chipping, you're eventually going to have to accept some detractors in the lower graded realm.  Here is my place holder in the club.

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Sweet Lou 14 said:

By any chance do you have a link to that book?  I'd love to see the listing or at least the scan.

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2 minutes ago, jjfversion1 said:

Awesome, thanks.  So that was last November.  I bought my 5.0 in July 2017 -- maybe not the *best* timing, but I really liked the lack of chipping on my copy so I went for it.

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7 hours ago, jjfversion1 said:

I think the issue, and what started this conversation, is that a fellow boardie made a comment saying that a CGC 5.0 copy for 32k was a “good deal” when in reality that price is close to the current market for a marvel chipped copy in grade. Hardly a good deal... more like fmv. A 5.0 with no chipping recently went for +40k, so in comparison it definitely does look like a good deal.

Calling this book ugly may be taking things a little too far, but to each their own. For me, a book with tape, rusted staples, or brittle pages would be less desirable than a marvel chipped copy. I do know though, for most collectors, that marvel chipping does detract from the overall presentation of the book which shows in the varying price points for books in the same grade.

 

Well said!

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If CGC properly deducted Marvel Chipping from the grade, this wouldn't be an issue. They decided not to do that for whatever reason, so we have a stratified market for chipped vs. non-chipped books that is only reflected in sales prices, and not the grade.

Newbies to the hobby may not know this, and so what we have here is a failure for CGC to communicate the lesser desirability of chipped books. Dumb idea for them not to deduct for MC.

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6 hours ago, drbanner said:

If CGC properly deducted Marvel Chipping from the grade, this wouldn't be an issue. They decided not to do that for whatever reason, so we have a stratified market for chipped vs. non-chipped books that is only reflected in sales prices, and not the grade.

Newbies to the hobby may not know this, and so what we have here is a failure for CGC to communicate the lesser desirability of chipped books. Dumb idea for them not to deduct for MC.

I"m a bit confused ... is it literally true that CGC ignores Marvel chipping when grading?

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11 minutes ago, Sweet Lou 14 said:

I"m a bit confused ... is it literally true that CGC ignores Marvel chipping when grading?

Ignores is a strong word. MC is considered a "production defect" that doesn't get discounted as harshly as a post-production defect (i.e., some kid tearing off a small corner of an AF 15 to throw his gum away).

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5 hours ago, drbanner said:

Ignores is a strong word. MC is considered a "production defect" that doesn't get discounted as harshly as a post-production defect (i.e., some kid tearing off a small corner of an AF 15 to throw his gum away).

:whatthe:

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So here is an example of a lower grade without MC but lots of other things to distract. I guess it's like someone said prior, for some creases, tears & stains are acceptable in a lower grade but not MC, while others would look past a bit of MC if the book was solidly attached at both staples, centered well and had bright colors. To each his own!

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I also think darker covers (like AF 15) suffer more, in terms of eye appeal, from Marvel chipping.  With a lighter cover like ASM 1, FF 1, or FF 5, the impact is often significantly diminished.

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20 hours ago, crimson dynamo said:

I think sometimes it is important to focus on why you are collecting in the first place.  For most of the boardies, myself included, it is the intrinsic reward of finally having a grail.  Whether its  a baked copy, stains, tape, writing, creases that break color, spine splits, tears, or chipping, you're eventually going to have to accept some detractors in the lower graded realm.  Here is my place holder in the club.

 

 

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We hear you. :bigsmile:

Actually I think this copy was properly graded. Nice eye appeal with MC = 4.0. Nice book for sure.

 

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When I bought mine I really tried to stay away from MC. Granted it is only a 3.0 and C/OW but I’m happy with the book. I have actually been very tempted to consider a press and clean but the fear of it returning with MC stops me every time.CD9F8682-C4D7-4193-993F-EB4D8A9E1FCA.thumb.jpeg.ff43bdbcfba5eab79b3d797e4cae36aa.jpeg

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All AF15s are beautiful to me. I love them all. Congrats on your book Mr. AJ!

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On 1/16/2014 at 4:48 PM, HarveySwick said:

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CGC BLUE LABEL

 

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Ghost Town 9.2 OW PAGE 482** PHOTO

 

peewee22 8.0 OW/W PAGE 427* PHOTO

 

showcase22gr1959 7.5 W PAGE 461* PHOTO

 

Dutch74 7.5 OW/W 08/04/14 PHOTO

 

sartre 7.5 OW PAGE 651* PHOTO

 

SilverRich 7.5 C/OW PAGE 24* PHOTO

 

aelearkin 7.0 OW/W PAGE 761* PHOTO

 

gadzukes 7.0 C/OW PENCE PAGE 606* PHOTO

 

Racer-X 7.0 C/OW PAGE 605* PHOTO

 

Detroit Mike 6.5 OW PAGE 23* PHOTO

UNDER COPY RAW PAGE 23* PHOTO

 

Wally’s Comics 6.5 OW PAGE 667* PHOTO

 

HaydenTO 6.5 OW PAGE 439* PHOTO

 

texmurphy2099 6.5 OW 11/22/14 PHOTO

 

daywolve 6.5 C/OW PAGE 19 PHOTO

 

Jaydogrules 6.5 C/OW 11/14/14 PHOTO

 

drummy 6.0 W 12/08/14 PHOTO

 

Buzzetta 6.0 OW/W PAGE 623* PHOTO

UNDER COPIES 3.5 C/OW & 1.8 C/OW PAGE 623* PHOTO

 

Bruno_s4 6.0 OW/W PAGE 671* PHOTO

 

Spyderfan 6.0 OW PAGE 6 PHOTO

 

Loki 6.0 C/OW PAGE 3* PHOTO

 

TSwift25 6.0 C/OW PAGE 8* PHOTO

UNDER COPIES 4.0 OW/W & 2.5 OW/W PAGE 8* PHOTO

 

mikephoen 6.0 C/OW PAGE 628* PHOTO

 

joeypost 5.5 OW/W PAGE 752* PHOTO

 

SpiderTurtle 5.5 OW/W 09/23/14 PHOTO

UNDER COPY 4.5 OW PAGE 11 PHOTO

UNDER COPY 1.0 C/OW PAGE 36 PHOTO

 

hal 5.5 C/OW PAGE 412* PHOTO

 

Straw-Man 5.0 OW/W PAGE 682* PHOTO

 

cheta42 5.0 OW/W PAGE 700* PHOTO

 

Easywill 5.0 C/OW PAGE 728* PHOTO

 

fishbone 5.0 (?) PAGE 656* PHOTO

UNDER COPIES 3.0 (?) & 2.5 (?) PAGE 656* PHOTO

 

mysterio 4.5 OW/W PAGE 249* PHOTO

 

Leescomics 4.5 OW/W 11/03/14 PHOTO

 

cesium 4.5 OW/W PAGE 643* PHOTO

 

campued1010 4.5 OW PAGE 29* PHOTO

 

GAMBIT! 4.5 OW PAGE 7 PHOTO

 

VW ClobberinThing 4.5 C/OW PAGE 436* PHOTO

 

R2hammer 4.0 OW/W PAGE 674* PHOTO

 

FourthWorld 4.0 OW/W PAGE 9 PHOTO

UNDER COPIES 2.5 OW & RAW PAGE 9* PHOTO

 

ciorac 4.0 OW PAGE 731* PHOTO

 

Shawn Low 4.0 OW PAGE 35 PHOTO

UNDER COPY 3.5 OW PAGE 35 PHOTO

 

jump_ace 4.0 OW 12/23/14 PHOTO

 

Magneto 4.0 C/OW PAGE 641* PHOTO

 

youmechoose 4.0 C/OW PAGE 653* PHOTO

 

spidersense 3.5 OW/W PAGE 88* PHOTO

 

mrlatko 3.5 OW/W PAGE 102* PHOTO

 

piper 3.5 OW PAGE 89* PHOTO

 

stuck 3.5 OW PAGE 209* PHOTO

 

Krusty007 3.5 OW PAGE 403* PHOTO

 

tigers comics 3.5 OW PAGE 509* PHOTO

 

Hulksdaddy1 3.5 OW PAGE 660* PHOTO

UNDER COPY RAW 10/08/14 PHOTO

 

byosti 3.5 OW PAGE 667* PHOTO

 

RedFury 3.5 OW PAGE 32 PHOTO

UNDER COPY 3.0 C/OW PAGE 32 PHOTO

 

seashor 3.5 C/OW PAGE 263* PHOTO

 

Crowzilla 3.5 C/OW PAGE 509* PHOTO

 

Primetime 3.5 C/OW PAGE 732* PHOTO

 

rman444 3.5 (?) PAGE 75* PHOTO

 

spiderphill 3.0 OW/W 08/05/14 PHOTO

 

jjeanius 3.0 OW/W 01/07/15 PHOTO

 

Jim M 3.0 OW PAGE 34 PHOTO

 

BM Cruz 3.0 OW 12/24/14 PHOTO

 

Ebel 1911 3.0 C/OW PAGE 406* PHOTO

 

USArmyParatrooper 3.0 C/OW PAGE 494* PHOTO

 

comicdey 3.0 C/OW PAGE 649* PHOTO

 

TrevorP24 3.0 C/OW PAGE 771* PHOTO

 

Sonukumar21 3.0 C/OW PAGE 10 PHOTO

 

Erndog 2.5 OW/W PAGE 662* PHOTO

 

Dark Knight 2.5 OW/W 08/31/14 PHOTO

 

johnny54321 2.5 OW PAGE 681* PHOTO

 

Matt in Houston 2.5 OW PAGE 725* PHOTO

 

chrisco37 2.5 OW PAGE 4 PHOTO

 

J.Morrow 2.5 OW 09/15/14 PHOTO

 

Bat-Man 2.5 C/OW PAGE 247* PHOTO

 

SpideyFein 2.5 C/OW PAGE 4 PHOTO

 

cujobyte 2.0 OW PAGE 18 PHOTO

 

Philreal 2.0 OW 10/28/14 PHOTO

 

Grendel72 2.0 C/OW PAGE 295* PHOTO

 

Doc Joe 1.8 OW/W PAGE 33 PHOTO

 

*Bronze age fan* 1.8 OW PAGE 168* PHOTO

 

eriqui 1.8 OW PAGE 726* PHOTO

 

ThrillaFromManilla 1.8 C/OW PAGE 28 PHOTO

 

Porter 1.8 C/OW PAGE 37 PHOTO

 

Escaflown4 1.5 C/OW PAGE 126* PHOTO

 

Ghost Rider 1.5 C/OW PAGE 565* PHOTO

 

Battlerob 1.5 C/OW PAGE 764* PHOTO

 

DoveCity187 1.5 C 10/07/14 PHOTO

 

ComicsNYC22 1.0 OW/W PAGE 734* PHOTO

 

RockMapleCasBah 1.0 OW PAGE 12 PHOTO

 

Speedy-D 1.0 C/OW PAGE 583* PHOTO

 

maloney414 1.0 C/OW PAGE 644* PHOTO

 

Miamiknight3434 1.0 C/OW PAGE 655* PHOTO

 

87richarm 1.0 C/OW PAGE 765* PHOTO

 

ChasingKingKirby 1.0 C/OW PAGE 11 PHOTO

 

Spyder! 1.0 C/OW 09/08/14 PHOTO

 

snowman28 .5 OW PAGE 22 PHOTO

 

cloudofwit .5 C/OW PAGE 307* PHOTO

 

MR-SigS .5 C/OW PAGE 17 PHOTO

 

nismo350z .5 C/OW PAGE 21 PHOTO

 

AGGIEZ NG C/OW PAGE 15 PHOTO

 

 

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alphatrion1 5.0 OW PAGE 24 PHOTO

 

JakeM 3.5 C/OW PAGE 29 PHOTO

 

comichut 3.0 OW/W PAGE 592* PHOTO

 

seredynskib 2.5 C/OW PAGE 737* PHOTO

 

MagnetoWasRight 1.5 OW/W PAGE 588* PHOTO

 

Dave258 1.0 OW PAGE 741* PHOTO

 

jason4 .5 OW/W 12/11/14 PHOTO

 

 

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Comicopolis RAW PAGE 185* PHOTO

 

dec RAW PENCE PAGE 54* PHOTO

 

Diamonddave RAW PAGE 26 PHOTO

 

F For Fake RAW 11/28/14 PHOTO

 

Foolkiller RAW PAGE 17* PHOTO

 

Hawman23 RAW PAGE 711* PHOTO

 

jmg3637 RAW PAGE 90* PHOTO

 

joker-fish RAW PAGE 21* PHOTO

 

KirbyJack RAW PAGE 1* PHOTO

 

Mac Man RAW PAGE 43* PHOTO

 

mikeyc67 RAW PAGE 152* PHOTO

 

MrBigFeathers RAW PAGE 621* PHOTO

 

mt1000 RAW PAGE 125* PHOTO

 

oakman29 RAW PAGE 1 PHOTO

 

rockvoan RAW PAGE 271* PHOTO

 

RockyMullins RAW PAGE 616* PHOTO

 

silentassassin RAW 11/16/14 PHOTO

 

spidrvacc RAW (Coverless) PAGE 187* PHOTO

 

TC33 RAW PAGE 530* PHOTO

 

THB RAW PAGE 678* PHOTO

 

thecollectron RAW PAGE 1* PHOTO

 

tricolorbrian RAW PAGE 5 PHOTO

 

ttfitz RAW PAGE 744* PHOTO

 

wipple RAW PAGE 19 PHOTO

 

 

:news:If anyone has sold or is no longer in possession of your book(s) listed, please post it here or send me a PM so that I can update the list. :foryou::news:

 

 

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ORIGINAL CLUB THREAD

 

*Original Amazing Fantasy #15 Club Thread

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*Current count 155 members*.

Mine is a CGC SS 1.8 copy -- hasn't been raw since 2012 (?)

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I'm also kind of blown away at the rate at which this book has increased in value in the 10+ years since I bought my copy -- 10x its original purchasing price! Can you imagine how many stocks and bonds out there have shown that kind of consistent growth? Craziness. 

Anyhow, my wife and I used to joke about eventually selling off my collection when we're approaching retirement and using the money as a down payment towards a small condo in Florida for snowbirding (20 years from now). Given the increases, that joking may be less unrealistic after all!

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1 hour ago, Mac Man said:

I'm also kind of blown away at the rate at which this book has increased in value in the 10+ years since I bought my copy -- 10x its original purchasing price! Can you imagine how many stocks and bonds out there have shown that kind of consistent growth? Craziness. 

Anyhow, my wife and I used to joke about eventually selling off my collection when we're approaching retirement and using the money as a down payment towards a small condo in Florida for snowbirding (20 years from now). Given the increases, that joking may be less unrealistic after all!

Great job on the compilation of the above data. Man, it brings back memories on all the books and the years have flown by on the Boards..I love all the books. <3

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This is what I posted 10+ years ago...

I won the 3.5. My max bid was $4057...  lol and wasn't willing to pay a cent more.  :sumo:

 

It will be interesting to see how that price holds up over time, but since I have no plans to ever sell it... (shrug)

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